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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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I had a Vortex a few years ago and it was very much as others have said. Absolutely fantastic above BF4, good at BF3 and the same speed as a Topper in the light stuff. Middle age spread is now catching up with me but I was about 80kg at the time. I haven't sailed the Vortex with kite but I imagine that would have made a great difference - without spinnaker you cannot generate enough apparent wind to do any decent angles downwind. Helming from the wire is fantastic though. I now sail a Hurricane 59 SX cat which brings me to my suggestion... Have you considered a Dart/Sprint 15? There's lots about, they're cheap enough and they are quicker than the Vortex. They are also quicker to rig and there's enough room for a passenger if you want to impress your mates. Follow the link http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/boattests/sprint15.pdf |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Some owners of other performance singlehanders like to talk about the demise of the Vortex. Interestingly this includes some who have been 'tarred' with the same brush but have since made a partial recovery.Sorry to dissapoint you guys, but the Vortex is still going strong with good fleets and strong interest.For instance it had more boats at its Nationals last year than any of the others mentioned. Well known and reputable potential new builders are asking the class about building and marketing the boat - so if only Laser would 'let go', new Vortex would soon be available again. Don't misunderstand me, I don't want to knock any of the opposition - I love the MPS - I like the 700, I quite like the 600. So if any of them are what you want - go for it. But if you're looking for a single handed trapeze boat with asymmetric for around £2500 - there is no real alternative. Like the 600 and 300, second hand prices have dipped but are recovering - but remember this was a much cheaper boat to start with so the lower prices now simply reflect that. Another aspect to consider is cost of maintainance. They are very robust - very little maintainance and parts are rarely needed and/or inexpensive ( for instance, I don't know of anyone ever needing to replace a foil, but if they did , they cost around £70 - I'd bet the others are over £200 (The MPS is over £400). Over 75 asymmetric kits have been fitted and of those, only one has a second kite - which he has never used. Upwind performance has always been good, but the asymmetric has transformed the boat into a downwind Rocket. Yes, like most trapeze boats, its light wind performance isn't great, but it's not as bad as some like to claim - it just requires a bit of technique and of course the kite has helped enhance it's overall lightwind performance and downwind enjoyment The class has one of the most active associations around and has enjoyed great sponsorship from Gerber and now ASAP International. As a result, the class provides free training, free meals / drinks at events and cheap subs etc. The Class is holding it's nationals at Lymington this weekend preceded by free training on the Friday- come along and try one - I doubt you'll be dissapointed. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Vortices presumably... It seemed a pleasant enough boat when we had one at our club, a nice benign platform for the novice trapeze sailor... I thought it ought to be quicker if you tried doing the wild thing bit of sailing it downwind on one hull, but I luffed instead of bearing away when sitting out to leeward on a broad reach and chucked it in [grin]. |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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the vortex is a nice boat and works well for people moving to a single
handed trap boat without trap experience or the less frequent sailor or someone than wants more stability due to above or age / fittness. having said that they are a dam fast boat with the kite. As you are 15 one would hope that the fitness and less frequent bit would not apply, plus your worries associated with experience / traping at speed will not be high on your radar. so I would not suggest the vortex as the boat for you. unfortunatly there aren't that many other single handed Assy boats around, so your choices are limited to the more expensive MPS or RS 700 e.t.c so if you are on a limited budget the RS600 would seem a good bet even though it has no kite or go for a MX-Ray. there cheap, fast and light, plus your age / agility and weight will be an advantage here even if they have no trap. If the budget is unlimited it would have to be an MPS for me. This all depends on your water as well. If your lake tends to have unstable air due to tree coverage e.t.c I might be tempted to go for the stability of the vortex. I sail at Burghfield and we have a MPS sailor who gets dumped in by our less than consitant wind. Not that he minds. anyway that's my thoughts on the subject. Edited by Jack Sparrow |
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iwsmithuk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141 |
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WRT the Vortex it's horses for courses. It's never going to be a mass market boat but it will always have a niche. I bought one because I wanted a fast trapeze asymmetric single hander I could sail in a fast handicap fleet without the extreme gymnastics of a 700/MPS (I'm 46 and only about 70kg) and without the need to be AFRAID of going sailing in anything above the top of a three (ever noticed how many 700s/MPS stay in the dinghy park when it's windy). I havn't regretted it at all and I've won a few club events and local opens. Its not the best boat in light winds but all classes have their weaker areas, and the vortex is so cheap at the moment you could always buy a second boat for those light days (I have a solo) and still have change from what it would cost you to buy a 700/MPS! People often comment that it's difficult to tack but I would say no more so than any other high performance single hander (see comments on the 600 site re "irons") With regard to the comments about the class dieing I'm not in any position to comment officially but I gather negociations are in place at the moment to establish a new builder and second hand prices seem to have bottomed out, certainly with regard to assymetric fitted boats and may even be beginning to pick up. Give it a try, it's a great boat!
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tack'ho ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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oh nothing
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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what is your current obsession with the byte tack'ho? Edited by mike ellis |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Looking at the people sailing the MPS there are people who come from Vortex, 700 & 600. Those coming from the 700 have no problems. On the others I'd say the 600 sailors make the easiest transition ... the MPS is probably easier to sail than the 600 apart from the kite handling issues. The ex-Vortex guys do pretty well but it seems they perhaps have lost some of their balancing skills from time spent in such a stable boat. The 600 is the way to go if you view this purchase as a stepping stone. Rick Edited by Guest#260 |
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Jamie600 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 14 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 718 |
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Seconded for the RS600 - as mentioned in a previous post, when I race my 600 against the Vortexes (Vortecies?) at my club, the results are very much weather dependant, with the Vortexes keeping up with me (or even ahead on the water), but back with the standard Lasers in no wind. The 600 is definately a better all-rounder, rather than just having one gear, and second-hand values are strengthening now, similar to what happened to the RS300, thanks to a shortage of boats on the market. If your eventual goal is a 700/MPS, then the step from the 600 upwards is more natural too.
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fizzicist ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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There's better boats out there - in my experience the Vortex is a bit of a tub. Doesn't go well until the wind gets above a F3, difficult to keep the nose up and changes direction about as effectively as the Exxon Valdez. Certainly goes quickly in a blow and has lots of boatspeed, but the RS600 is a much nicer machine. Plus at 15 you still have some growing to do and will gain weight, so a 600 is a better bet. I also rather suspect that the Vortex is a boat for life if you get my meaning... |
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