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    Posted: 10 Apr 06 at 10:36pm
We sailed our first 4000 with no weight and full racks before they confirmed the weight equilisation.It was very quick! then the equilisation came in and we ended up on no weight and no rack !!!
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Furtive is right - I don't have a reasoned reply I just fancy sailing the thing with less weight and more rack!
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Get rid of the lead and adjust the rack positions to compensate - you'll still have a good equalisation system and the lightweights will be able to pull the boat up the beach!

Surely you'd then just have half a good equalisation system! The lightweights could still keep up in breeze, because they have the racks out, but the heavyweights would suffer in the light stuff because the lightweights aren't carrying any lead.

(If you are a lightweight get some big guys to help you pull the boat up the beach - it's a very friendly fleet!)



Yeah exactly

They are well known for dragging their rocker in light winds. The more you can get out the water the better.

I guess a windy Lake Giardia would favour bigger-boned  teams versus say a light in lands or Hayling Island?
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Originally posted by redback

Get rid of the lead and adjust the rack positions to compensate - you'll still have a good equalisation system and the lightweights will be able to pull the boat up the beach!

Surely you'd then just have half a good equalisation system! The lightweights could still keep up in breeze, because they have the racks out, but the heavyweights would suffer in the light stuff because the lightweights aren't carrying any lead.

(If you are a lightweight get some big guys to help you pull the boat up the beach - it's a very friendly fleet!)

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You're right, I believe a carbon rig would make a significant difference to the 4000.  Having sailed the 800 and then the 4000 i was amazed at how you could feel all that weight aloft.  Take coming into the leeward mark - remember these are fast boats - as you round up you can feel the momentum try to heel the boat as you turn in the 4000.  The solution is of course to use a wider radius, but I have many years sailing a Laser where you get used to quick changes of direction.

I've recently removed the racks from my 4000 - they are quite light - its the mast that's the problem.  The class will fade but then Laser might let the association run it and then there's a chance they will allow a carbon rig - then it will revive because its fundamentally a good design.  Meantime I wish they'd get rid of the correctors it just seems wrong to carry all that lead in a high performance boat.  Get rid of the lead and adjust the rack positions to compensate - you'll still have a good equalisation system and the lightweights will be able to pull the boat up the beach!

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Originally posted by redback

The 4000 was the first boat that Laser used foam sandwich.  So its not impossibly heavy but it is pretty solid so not as light as an 800 which is about a foot longer. 


Actually under the guise of Performance Sailcraft Ltd they did the tasar in closed cell foam sandwich and I believe the deck of the 28'. They couldn't build either down to a cost and partly due to this and the recession I think- they went bust.

Originally posted by redback

However the 4000 has an ali rig and being quite a tall one that adds a bit of weight and then there's that pole - they don't come much longer - that too is ali and so adds a good bit of weight.  It also carries equalisation weights.  So, all up, its quite a heavy machine for a high performance boat however it has a big board and the stern is not too flat so it doesn't stick and stall like a 800 in the light stuff.  The pole has wing-wangs which helps it run a bit deeper in the light stuff as well. 



Take your good pointers on all up crew weight.  They put together a very good package for the price point at time of build, but I think it cries out for carbon if it was on paper today, and we have the 800 and 59er for those who want it.

I hurt my back dragging one up a flat but soft beach - probably it's weight and low skiff style hull.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 06 at 11:48pm

The 4000 was the first boat that Laser used foam sandwich.  So its not impossibly heavy but it is pretty solid so not as light as an 800 which is about a foot longer.  However the 4000 has an ali rig and being quite a tall one that adds a bit of weight and then there's that pole - they don't come much longer - that too is ali and so adds a good bit of weight.  It also carries equalisation weights.  So, all up, its quite a heavy machine for a high performance boat however it has a big board and the stern is not too flat so it doesn't stick and stall like a 800 in the light stuff.  The pole has wing-wangs which helps it run a bit deeper in the light stuff as well.  The sail area although large is not huge and the rig is very adjustable so its great fun when its really windy. 

All things considered it goes reasonable over a wide wind range but like any trapeze boat its difficult to sail up to its handicap if you aren't using the trapeze and in the really light stuff a conventional spinnaker boat will leave it for dead, downwind.

Its a well designed boat which I think would be marginally improved by forgetting the weights and give everybody a wider rack setting so that even the heavy wieghts have a click or two on the racks.  Personally I'd like to see an extra click for every 10 years the helm is over 30!

The performance equalisation works and so there are quite a lot of women on the circuit and there are quite a lot of big blokes.  Although still a lot of fun I would have thought more than 180 kg all up is going to make it hard to reach the top of the fleet, but at club level the challenge is staying upright and falling over is many times the disadvantage of a few 10s of kilograms.

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80kg apparantly - only 1kg more than the 3000!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BBSCFaithfull Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 06 at 7:13pm
umm methinks in the region of 60-85 kilos i can't remeber off hand

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Most of them are away sailing. u'l be fine. But its not called a 4 tonner for no reason
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