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Hector 
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 Topic: rules queryPosted: 01 Apr 06 at 2:42am |
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There are quite a few sites with 'quizzes' to help you learn the rules. One good one is at http://www.ukhalsey.com/ go to the site and click the link in the leaft hand menu - you do have to subscribe. |
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billpayer
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Posted: 31 Mar 06 at 10:59am |
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Lots of opinions here and all good areas for discussion. Just a couple of spanners in the works...some of these rules are different, or removed altogether in team racing, so be aware of these differences, the most interesting is the removal of rule 18.4, allowing you to sail the other team off the course. For clarification, the book 'The rules in Practice' with drawings shows exactly the situation that started this thread, with two boats on a run on opposite tacks. Have a look, it shows all the options, quotes the rules at the appropriate points and gives a good flow through various options. |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 4:10pm |
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i have a rules book but i have only been a subscriber to y+y for a year. ive seen some of the rule sections in y+y but not this one.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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jeffers
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 7:27pm |
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Just stuff I pick up from talking to people and I had flicked through the ISAF case book on a couple of occasions looking for definitions/test cases.
Most of it comes from analysing a situation after a race, measuring the rules against it and working out what to do next time. Simple really....(haha) |
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Paul
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Garry
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 5:07pm |
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Mike
A lot of this stuff turns up in Y&Y or the other magazine on a regular basis ... if you've been a subscriber for a while you will have read most. Also many of us have a guide to the rules book which gives examples - if every 4 years you buy a book by a different author you end up with even more examples of the rules. Then of course there's just sailing and gaining experience as you go along, courses, class coaching, club coaching - If you've been sailing a long time then you tend to know a lot (although not everything) - problem is some of it might be wrong 
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Garry
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Harry44981!
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 4:12pm |
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The slowing down trick mentioned by Jefferes works a treat. at the topper nationals last year there were about 30 boats trying to round the leward mark in 5 knots, with the tide pushing them downwind- you can imagine the chaos! I slowed down, and snuck into the 1 boat lenght gap that had opened up without infringing the rafted boats who were drifting with the tide away from the mark! About the only thing I did right all week! |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 3:54pm |
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so much information. where do you all find it? is it somwhere in the isaf cases?
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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jeffers
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The right to water is established then the closest boat reaches the 'zone' (commonly defined as 2 boatlengths of the closest boat). It does not matter if the inside boat is a mile away, in theory they are still entitled to water (of course they would not be infringed by the other boat rounding up). The way to be sure at a leeward mark is to be inside boat (it does not matter if it is a port or starboard rounding) and on starboard. You must remember though that is you are the outside boar and the inside boat needs to gybe you must give them room for a 'seamanlike' rounding (ie enough room for a normal rounding given the conditions and amount of sail handling required). If they gybe and their boom hits you in theory you are in the wrong unless you can prove they did not make a seamanlike rounding. What I tend to do is give enough room and make a smart rounding and hopefully reach off underneath them and gain clear wind. |
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jeffers
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 9:50am |
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Hence why on a Starboard rounding of a windaward mark you can stuff a boat on Starboard if you are on port. Just Ensure you will keep clear if your course does not change and don't let the starboard boat tack in your water (if they do they should do a 720).
They way to counter if you are on starboard is to slow up and ensure that you force the port boat to tack off, then you are free to tack. It is scary how many people do not know these relatively simple things. We are better now through a series of informative articles where some of these situations have been analysed by our rules guru and printed in the quarterly newsletter. He does detail what each boat could (or should) have done to gain the most or minimise the loss. The golden rule is always try and keep out the way, if you end up fighting with another boat for the same piece of water you are only going to slow each other down and maybe let a lot of people through. Had this at a leeward mark at the first SGP, we were coming in just behind a huge group, I called for the helm to slow up...we did, huge gap appeared as everyone had a wide exit and up we popped, made about 10 places in 1 rounding. Just my 2p.... |
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Garry
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Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 6:51pm |
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It doesn't matter whether its a port or starboard rounding rule 18 gives the inside boat room, regardless of tack. The only exception (for opposite tacks, overlapped at 2 boat lengths) is a starboard rounding of the windward mark when the rules are considered as if the mark wasn't there.
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