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Gordon 1430 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
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hI Richard
Did you really mean 5cm or 5mm? adding 2" to spreader length is a lot. Regards Gordon
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well I to like to understand why stuff goes wrong, I've completely f**ked my boat up again and this time I'm struggling to work it out, but I will, eventually. As to the H2 I've recommended it to a couple of my bigger acquaintances as one to look at, which was why the conversation went the way it did. I can't comment with anything other than ironic quips, because I really have no experience, but I've followed conversations around the boat, issues with light winds early on, have watched videos, as you do, because for most of us the chance to try a boat before buying never really occurs that often.
It's understandable once having bought something or other you're going to be defensive and that's how classes also f**k things up instead of recognising an area that could do with improvement, the hoary old chestnut 'oh once you get to know how to work it', through 'time and effort' gets rolled out instead of being sensible and redesign the bloody thing. It has always looked wrong, it's always had a way too hooky leech, bloody great fatheaded made for inland water leafy lakes thing, was always going to be horrid to a sea sailor like myself and my erstwhile damning friend. Just make a sail for the sea and one for inland, have both, double the boats appeal. Only don't call it a "wave" sail, call it Ocean Master, or Sea Rider and leave the old one labeled Inland Puffy Bender sail. ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by iGRF - 31 Aug 21 at 2:25pm |
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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The H2 rig requires some real time and effort to understand. If you get in the boat for a demo I very much doubt you would even get it in the ball park. To me that was part of the attraction of the class as I like understanding how things work. For example - it is very sensitive to spreader length - adding 5cm to each side results in heavy helms having to hike fully in 10 knots rather than being underpowered in 20 knots!
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H2 #115 (sold)
H2 145 OK 2082 |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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It would be great to get grf boat test of a Hadron . Because he has a unrivalled ability… to pick the wrong horse.
If grf likes a class , it’s doomed . At least if he dislikes it you know the class has a future in the medium term and is a good boat too. I have based all my boat buying decisions on this for the last 8 years and it’s worked every time
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Funny, just last tuesday we had a well travelled visitor of my acquaintance from dinghy world down at our club, Just bought a Solo coffin, so I immediately set about him with the age jokes given his last ride was a foiling moth and an MPS prior to that and the subject of the H2 came up funnily enough on my suggestion. 'Great boat spolied by a crap sail' was his exclamation, having actually sailed one, so, my 'joke assessment' appears to have some validity, one day I'll get a go in one and find out for certain.
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Has a great rig Graeme - you just need to be skilled enough to set it up. Probably best to stick to your more basic rigs
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H2 #115 (sold)
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Blah blah blah..wish my H2 had a decent sail...
![]() Wolfram. good decision, enjoy. Edited by iGRF - 27 Aug 21 at 6:21pm |
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H2 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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I was in a similar position a few years back: a similar weight, height and situation of returning to sailing after 15 years. What I worked out was that there are a bunch of boats that are similar to the Laser (d zero, aero, solution, solo) and you could sail these but our weight is a disadvantage whatever people will tell you. I worked out that my list of options was Finn, Phantom, Blaze and Hadron H2. I discounted the Blaze as the wings on a small pond was not ideal - can be done and people do but for me its a much better boat for bigger bits of water. I tried the Finn, Phantom and H2 - they are all nice boats with pros and cons. I liked that you tend to sit in a Finn and H2 rather than be on your knees like you are in a Phantom (they do have a deep cockpit version too). I went for the H2 in the end and am now on my second boat and love it; might also get a Finn one day to do the master circuit.
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wolfram ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23 |
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I've bought a Phantom. Just fettling the rigging and repairing gel coat etc. Hoping to get on the lake in a few weeks! Thanks for the advice.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Phantom or Finn - at 95kg inland in dying breeze, you’ll find a laser a very disappointing experience
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