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It would make it easier to adjust the outhaul ... and make it quicker to rig and de- rig; now that really is a benefit. Rick |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Ah, but it makes the jump to Carbon much easier
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Why bother I should think. You get a very small decrease in the cost of a boom and a sail and maybe a tiny increase in boat speed, but it would make everyone think that their sails were outdated and that they needed new ones. Edited by JimC |
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TonyL ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 57 |
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I think the original premise of this thread was that a SMOD was die
over time as new technology emerges, and is adopted into new SMOD
classes that will kill the old ones.
I don't necessarily agree with that, as we've seen several examples of SMOD's evolving through careful class association led management. Even the dear old Laser has even got half decent sail controls nowadays! PS. I'm on the lookout for a 2 person boat to club race with my kids. See that early RS400's are now going for around £2k - seems great value to me or are they likely to be completly tatered at that price? |
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I was sailing Fireballs at the time most of these changes went through (won the nationals in 94) and most of us in the fleet felt the changes were quite radical at the time and all supported the progress. I guess it depends on your outlook; if you sail a development class it probably looked like small beer but for a one design they changes were quite significant. Rick |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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The 400 hull looks a lot like a Merlin, and of course the designer Morrison had designed a lot of Merlins but fallen from favour by the time the 400 was designed. Also, over the previous 15 years or so the optimum crew weight for a Merlin had gone from maybe 28 to 22 stone and a lot of Merlin teams wanted the rig changed to favour heavier crews again. So I believe the crew weight the 400 was designed for was, in part, intended to attract Merlin owners of more ample proportions back into a Morrison-designed Merlin-type boat. That view was certainly common in the Merlin fleet at the time.
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Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
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The Fireball never went through any radical changes (apart from in the sixties where someone added a trapeze and a kite) Foam sandwich appeared back in the late 80s, and the only real change in the shape was not a rule change anyway...the Aussies worked out there was a loophole in the rules allowing you to build with slightly fuller bows, giving better manners on the sea. Winder boats have built the bulk of the recent UK boats, but there were a lot of Swiss built Duvoisins at the worlds this year (as well as Aussie YMS boats) plus a huge amount of older manufacturers' and homebuilt wood, all FRP and composite boats. Fireballs have always been very conservative indeed WRT rules changes, and the kevlar sails change is still open to debate. Many teams were still using Dacron instead, although hopefully initial problems with kevlar durability are now sorted with design development from the major lofts. It is just that the Winder hull is such a good and well made product it looks a bit "samey" round the boatpark. However, it is this controlled development that has allowed old boats to stay competitive...the 10th placed boat out of 179 at the worlds was GBR13945, that is now almost 1000 boats old, and probably dates from the 80s! Although I personally would not like to see carbon masts just yet, as let's face it, with a rig as sensitive as a Fireballs, you're gonna need to build a mast to an exact set of "numbers" to use the Finn analogy, which is outside the scope of home builders, I can't see that allowing carbon in poles and tillers will make much of a difference, and is possible for the keen DIY amateur. The one I struggle with is why FB's never went to a loose footed sail? There's probably a good reason, and sailmaker care to comment?
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I wouldn't regard changing to dactron sails or changing some construction rules but in both cases keeping the shape and size the same asbeing radical changes. Sisn't the Fireball just make some cobnstruction changes to make mass production boats a bit easier to build? |
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Can't comment on the Scorp but the Fireball went through some pretty radical construction changes to get where it is today plus developing beyond dacron sails. Rick |
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Twin trapeze FD!! Whoa!! It will be canting keel F15s next!
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