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    Posted: 25 Oct 11 at 10:30am
having sailed and crewed both the 2000 and the vision I think the choice depends on what you want (i.e., what type of sailing you will do and where).
 
I have a 2000 and it is great to sail, good for learning, and has a good racing circuit, but my friend who owns a vision prefers that because he can fit a small outboard, pull it up the beach without worring too much about scratching the hull, and stow an anchor and enough stuff for picnic etc.  He thinks my 2000 is a bit cramped in the crew area because of the kicker and oher lines running forward along the floor (he is 6 foot), I think the vision feels heavy and isn't as responsive or as nice to sail. 
 
Both will capsize and turtle.  The 2000 may turtle quite quickly, but it dosent if you use a 40 litre masthead float.  I am 12 stone and can recover the 2000 from turtled - it helps if you uncleat the main and kicker.   
 
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Originally posted by Otto

Well... My club (Hastings) have just bought 3 Visions... We think they're great. One of the best plastic boats we've ever sailed. They even get a bit of speed up in a blow.

Just shows how opinions can vary. I always cite the Vision as the worst boat I've ever sailed (heavy sheet loads, heavy helm, ......heavy), and I have sailed quite a few.

We have had two of them as club boats at Wilsonian for a few years, and there has been a unanimous vote to replace them with something else (probably an L2k - because we have class racing for those - and a MkIV Wayfarer, despite the shortcomings of those boats as outlined above).
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Given that this topic could be useful to lots of newcomers, the new RS Venture could fit the bill in this situation perfectly, almost a cross between the two!
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Well... My club (Hastings) have just bought 3 Visions... We think they're great. One of the best plastic boats we've ever sailed. They even get a bit of speed up in a blow. 
I suppose it all depends on where you are though. We sail from a beach... that covered in rocks... and pebbles... and children... so you need something bulletproof to land. So plastic is great for us. If you sail on a pond though (See my prejudice?) a 2000 could be great as they can race a bit more. The fiberglass makes for a slightly nicer boat but then if you're just starting then that doesn't really matter.
Give both a test sail before you decide. Both are worth it. :)
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Ah OK then, I was being naive.

I should revise to "nearly 2000 owners can't be wrong"
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by IanMitchell


  • 20,000-odd owners can't be wrong and the relative lack of 2nd hand ones on the market suggests that those that buy them are happy with them



Have they really sold 20,000 of them? That is getting pretty close to Laser 1 sales figures.....

I would be sceptical on that figure (unless independant proof can be given).

The numbering goes from 2000 to 2999 then 21000 to 21764 (and rising). The change occured in 2002.

This was to avoid clashing with the Laser 3000 numbering, and maybe the Laser 4000 or 5000!

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Posts: 11 		Post Options Post Options   Quote IanMitchell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 3:21pm
Well I may just be naive but I was basing that on the sail numbers they are now issuing.  Ours is 217somethingsomething.
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Originally posted by IanMitchell


  • 20,000-odd owners can't be wrong and the relative lack of 2nd hand ones on the market suggests that those that buy them are happy with them


Have they really sold 20,000 of them? That is getting pretty close to Laser 1 sales figures.....

I would be sceptical on that figure (unless independant proof can be given).
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Sounds a sensible choice. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with it.

I'm still deliberating, and lack of room at the club pound means I'm not in
too much of a rush...

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Posts: 11 		Post Options Post Options   Quote IanMitchell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 12:47pm

Gosh I'd forgotten all about this thread.  I see it's grown somewhat since I last looked at it.  Anyway, after much deliberation we went the Laser2000 route.  The thinking was:

  • that the hull weight was lower than the alternatives - so easier to get up slipway
  • that concerns about the speed at which it inverts could be overcome with the fitting of a masthead float - and that given the shallow lake it's going to be sailed on having one of them on is better than having a muddy mast anyway
  • 20,000-odd owners can't be wrong and the relative lack of 2nd hand ones on the market suggests that those that buy them are happy with them
  • 2nd hand values seem to hold up anyway
  • there are a number of them at the club we've joined
  • we felt comfortable on the test sail
  • Laser did us a good deal on price

So we've got one, it's sitting on its trolley waiting for the weather to warm up.  Can't wait.
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