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    Posted: 06 Sep 05 at 11:04pm

What is the advantage of using a bridle off the transom and leading along the boom to a single block on the centreboard case, compared with a 4:1 tackle in the centre of the boom.

Also how does the purchase of the boom end system compare with 4:1 in the centre? If the final block was on the transom it would be 2:1 which is equivalent to 4:1 in the middle, but how does the purchase compare when the final block is on the centreboard?

 

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You can center the boom easier with the transom sheeting.

Sheet loads are higher but you get more control (assuming you don't have a 2:1 at the end).

Bit of a swine on a 2 sail reach.

Cheaper to do.

Must taper the bridel so the split end can go inside the block.

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endboom, and sheeting off the boom clears up the middle of the boat, allows you to sheet right into the middle, typically dosent let you pull leech tension with the sheet though.

midboom, allows you to give the boom a lick mid gybe, and pull leech tension, but at the expense of space and boom in the middle,

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Originally posted by Guest#260

You can center the boom easier with the transom sheeting.

Yes: a hoop also does the same, in classes that allow it.

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What boat are you talking about as there are different ways to get the extra purchase depending on class.  RS200s will have the extra block on the bridle aft and alter the bridle length depending on rake, where a Fireball will have the extra "granny" block on the centreboard case.  This is assuming you still have a jammer on teh case and are not going Enterprise/Mirror style.

The gybing problem can be sorted with a gybing strop, and the 2 sail issue can be sorted by just taking the right fall of teh sheet straight from the boom, as Ben Ainslie does in the Finn.

Personally I think hoops are a bad idea (unless it has a traveller like a Merlin) as you can't centre the main in the light stuff without getting loads of s-l-o-w leech tension.  A properly set up bridle system (split end mainsheet or aft block) should allow you to do this fine.

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Originally posted by Iain C

The gybing problem can be sorted with a gybing strop, and the 2 sail issue can be sorted by just taking the right fall of teh sheet straight from the boom, as Ben Ainslie does in the Finn.

The "gybing problem" can also be sorted with correct sailing technique. I'm amazed by the number of people you see heaving the boom over in a gybe, only to capsize when the boom really crashes over. Best way to learn the correct technique is to sail a Laser in a decent breeze a few times .... with a useless ruddder and no gybing handle, you soon find out how to gybe without losing control

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Originally posted by Ian99

Originally posted by Iain C

The gybing problem can be sorted with a gybing strop, and the 2 sail issue can be sorted by just taking the right fall of teh sheet straight from the boom, as Ben Ainslie does in the Finn.

The "gybing problem" can also be sorted with correct sailing technique. I'm amazed by the number of people you see heaving the boom over in a gybe, only to capsize when the boom really crashes over. Best way to learn the correct technique is to sail a Laser in a decent breeze a few times .... with a useless ruddder and no gybing handle, you soon find out how to gybe without losing control

Yeah, but the Laser gybing style wont translate to a 3 sail boat. Gybing handle very useful on many boats.

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Originally posted by a_stevo

typically dosent let you pull
leech tension with the sheet though.


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This actually one of the main reasons you go for
boom end sheeting with a split main sheet bridle. As
it allows you to pull ON leech tension. Also the
reason that the crew sheets up wind in skiffs,
becasue it is quite physically demanding to pull in
big roach sails and keep enough on the leech. and
in the gusts you can just easy the leach tension and
let the leech twist with out without loosing much high
through the boom dropping off the leeward. and
theres room for movment in the middle of the boat.

Gybing; just make sure you get the boom in before
you go into the gybe so it comes across earlier in the
gybe and doest create a load of momentum. I you
leave it out the gybe happens at the end of a big turn.
and comes across very quick. if you bing it into the
boat first the turn is less to get the boom across and
easyer to handle.
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Gybing; just make sure you get the boom in before
you go into the gybe so it comes across earlier in the
gybe and doest create a load of momentum. I you
leave it out the gybe happens at the end of a big turn.
and comes across very quick. if you bing it into the
boat first the turn is less to get the boom across and
easyer to handle.[/QUOTE]

Yikes!!!! This may work in yachts but always up with everything going green in any dinghy I have sailed

I prefer a decent gybing handle on something like a Fireball (obviously not an option on a Cherub or similar skiff (and let's not get back into the Cherub is not a skiff debate, it is, I've put it right at the end of the skiff wall and very high up so no-one can reach it) most importantly coupled with a well timed burst of "opposite lock" on the tiller just after the boom crosses the centreline. 

In big breeze if your boom is anywhere near the centreline whilst being sheeted in you will swim. 

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cheeky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 05 at 4:46pm
iain in de Cherub ( like you sail ) and other fast skiffs
you have loads of apparent and your boom is in the
middle of the boat ( or should be ) if you leave it out
over the gunwale thats when it gets very messy in de
gybe. keep it in and the gybes are sweet. this isn't
the same for slow boats obviously. but even in a
laser it help to get the boom in a little.
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