Singlehanded trap for lightweights

   Surely rather than developing yet another non kite hiking single hander, the builders and designers should be looking at this real gap in the market - a single hnaded trapeze boat for the 65 - 80kg weight range?

If so, should it be a simple affair, like a tarted up laser 2 but with proper controls, to keep the cost down?

Or should it be a decent skiff type thing, with all mod cons and construction, regardless of cost?

Perhaps the contender class should market a class within a class, with same rig, smaller sails?

Or is there no need for such a thing?

Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Yes but I wouldn't buy it	4	[9.76%]
Yes if it was cheap like a converted Laser 2	0	[0.00%]
yes if it was modern and skiff like	12	[29.27%]
put a smaller sail on the contender	0	[0.00%]
yes and it must have a kite	4	[9.76%]
yes, but no kite	2	[4.88%]
no need for such a boat	19	[46.34%]
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winging it Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958	Post Options Post Reply Quote winging it Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Singlehanded trap for lightweights Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 6:50pm
	Surely rather than developing yet another non kite hiking single hander, the builders and designers should be looking at this real gap in the market - a single hnaded trapeze boat for the 65 - 80kg weight range? If so, should it be a simple affair, like a tarted up laser 2 but with proper controls, to keep the cost down? Or should it be a decent skiff type thing, with all mod cons and construction, regardless of cost? Perhaps the contender class should market a class within a class, with same rig, smaller sails? Or is there no need for such a thing?
	the same, but different...

doeywizard Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 16 Jun 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 150	Post Options Post Reply Quote doeywizard Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 7:34pm
	isent the musto skiff from 65 to 80 kg? I thinks that a single handed skiff with kit for youths aimed a a weight range of 55 to 70 kg would be better and more encouraging younger skiff sailors.

r2d2 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 29 Sep 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 350	Post Options Post Reply Quote r2d2 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 7:56pm
	I agree - its a Musto skiff isn't it?

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 7:56pm
	Hard to look beyond the Farr 3.7 for an existing class to do that job. Its a funny thing though, for all there might look to be a "gap" in the market, doesn't necessarilly mean people want a boat that fits in it. It seems that me that very often, when people past the novice stage are asking opinions about which boat on forums like this, the boats they are asking for opinions between seem to be aimed at quite different places in the market, but clearly they are competing - at least for that person's money... Edited by JimC - 29 Oct 11 at 7:57pm

sandgrounder Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220	Post Options Post Reply Quote sandgrounder Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 8:06pm
	The most successful sailor in the Musto Skiff to date, by far, has been Richard Stenhouse. Not sure what he weighs in at but he moved from the Finn class. Edited by sandgrounder - 29 Oct 11 at 8:11pm

G.R.F. Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028	Post Options Post Reply Quote G.R.F. Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 8:41pm
	Er some of us got tired of waiting and had to build our own..
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haroosh Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 521	Post Options Post Reply Quote haroosh Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 9:15pm
	I had high hopes for the musto skiff with smaller sail. Having had a musto and beig around 65kgs I felt I was too light although I appretiate there are guys that weight sailing them. But the small sail mps has never progressed unfortunately. I thought it would have been great as its a great hull so just reducing the rig a little would surely open it up to lighter and potentially less experienced folks wanting singlehanded trapezing fun. If they developed on the boat there would have always been the option to put the original larger rig on. However I gather there wasn't much interest in the class hence the idea stalled???? Maybe any mps class guys could explain the background further. Cheers, Keith
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Wrighty Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 21 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 192	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wrighty Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 11 at 10:02pm
	I am 84kgs and was interested in a smaller main for the musto for a force 6, I find that the current mainsail is fine in all winds now and that a smaller main would be of no use to me, I would surgest that the weight of the crew for the musto skiff is getting lower every year, so you have the boat for lightweights, on inland waters even in a good force 4-5 average wind you get times when you have to look to power up, mainly on shifty days. The main advantage of being light in a Musto is you can just foot off, on light wind days you can flat wire and leave the heavy sailors behind, a win win situation in our climate in the summer, Rick is light and has been national camp, also the world camp is also a lightweight, it depends where the world are, garda will require some pies to be consumed. At 84kgs I would like more sail area for the Musto, it would better to drop my weight down to have more fun on average wind days in the Musto, 74kgs if possible. When the heavy sailors want to go out because it is blowing boots the sailing clubs say its too windy. The RS700 is the correct boat for the heaver sailor with the bigger sail area and sheet loads, the Musto with the light sheet loads and light kicker control is good for lightweight and youth sailing, the only down point is downwind above a force 5 for lightweights, hard to contol without weight but hay, from force 1 to 3 your just flying and having so much fun. Richard Stenhouse is one of the larger sailors, but his results can not be taken into account as he is so good above the average sailor. This is my view only, the boat will carry 100kgs but the lighter weight 74kgs is better on inland waters in the summer? Edited by Wrighty - 29 Oct 11 at 10:57pm
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winging it Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958	Post Options Post Reply Quote winging it Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 9:08am
	oh god, grumpf is going to have a field day with that if he sees it. ok, then maybe we should scale down the weight range a tad, to something more like 60 -70 kg, so youth and ladies can have a go. Apart from Kit I haven't seen many women at all sailing the musto, so what puts them off?
	the same, but different...

Neptune Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neptune Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 9:12am
	What's wrong with a skiff or my favourite an RS600, both these boats can support these weights well as well as heavier, both ate light and well built and the 600 at least is nearly as simple as a laser. Both those boats would blow laser 2 out the water around a course. Light weights in the 600 are down to 65kg are are competitive to a bf4-5. The loads are light enough that you don't need to be super strong. If you want smaller then the farr 3.7 looksperfect, a proper small contender without the compromises of a small sail on a big hull. Edited by Neptune - 30 Oct 11 at 9:16am
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