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    Posted: 30 Jun 05 at 1:24pm

Ok, we are now at the start of Vago deliveries. My dealer "confirmed" the first week of July (that was when I ordered my XD 3 months ago). Any first lucky owners out there?

1. Saw on a Dutch website that the weight is 75kg - is it from the manufacturer/estimated based on prototypes/or what?

2. I fully intend to car top it - any first ideas on the best way to do this, especially on what to do with the mast?

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Originally posted by earthbm

Ok, we are now at the start of Vago deliveries. My dealer "confirmed" the first week of July (that was when I ordered my XD 3 months ago). Any first lucky owners out there?

1. Saw on a Dutch website that the weight is 75kg - is it from the manufacturer/estimated based on prototypes/or what?

2. I fully intend to car top it - any first ideas on the best way to do this, especially on what to do with the mast?

 

Get a road trailer as roof topping a boat like this will be too much hassle. It is a false economy not too.

If you get a road trailer you can go from the trailer to water single handed in minutes rather than needing lots of people to get it on/off the roof of your car.

The only real boat to be on the roof of a car nowadays is the Topper. Most Laser sailors use combi trailers - well the ones that came to our open meeting recently did.

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I used to cartop all my boats (Lasers mainly) but stopped as it became too much of a pain. 75kg is a heavy boat to cartop, you will probably need 3 or 4 people to load/unload onto a car roof. Its also only really practical with boats that have a two piece mast too.

So I wouldn't recommend it,  though I used to know a guy who cartopped his Fireball on his old Volvo estate so I guess anything's possible!



 
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I get my Vago on the 23rd of July, which I am looking forward to. I had a sail in the demo Vago a few weeks ago and it was excellent, fast and fun. I can't wait...
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Portsmouth uni sailing club have had one for a while on loan from laser for pretty much destruction testing. So far it is very much in one piece as far as I know. There has been talk of making it twin wire and taking it out when it is stupidly windy to see what happens

I haven't sailed it but it appears to be a good concept and very easy to sail. I guess this is laser's 3000 replacement? Pretty slow though, a very old fireball on a two sail reach overtook it when it had the kite up...



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Reading the test in Y&Y they certainly seem to have kept the wieght down.  If so this could be a good boat and satisfy the multipurpose role.  Don't pretend its all that fast though - a RS400 is much faster and doesn't need a trapeze.  No one is ever going to produce a fast racing machine and also satisfy a multipurpose role.

What is a trapeze worth - 2% - that's 20 PY points for boats of this performance?

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Re: cartoping, will post the pictures here. By putting it up on its stern and the sliding on the racks upside-down, it's a one-man effort (some physical aptitude required of course).

Re how much a trapeze worth: since there is no keel, the righting moment you generate is equal the heeling moment generated by the sail. The boat is 150cm wide. This means that by hiking you have 75-100cm times you weight as the righting moment. By going out on the trapeze you double your righting moment since you centre of gravity shifts about 75cm out (depends on your height). So for some tacks in strong wind you speed can theoretically double (in practice less, because drag increases more than linearly with speed). So across all tacks and wind conditions, I'd say trapeze is worth 25%. Skiff sailors can add more insight off-course.

Re: speed - there is no magic in making a boat and calling it "racing" - just put a bigger sail on. Don't think anyone can argue that either Vago or RS400 has a more efficient hull shape, not until there are a few years of data and like-for-like testing to make a claim. RS400 has 14.75m main+jib and 14m spi. Vago XD is at 12m and 13m. There you have it, less sail. Probably means that downwind in light wind and double-handed, RS400 is faster. Also means that upwind in strong wind and single-handed Vago can maintain a more efficient sail shape and likely be faster.

Vago is also smaller and cheaper. There are many definitions of "better" in boats. It may turn out that more people will have more fun with Vago, and this means better in my book.

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I chose to buy the Vago for the following reasons,

  • I have only being sailing for two years and I still have lots to learn.
  • I wanted a boat I could sail single or double handed.
  • A boat that was fast enough to be fun without being to much of a handful when the wind gets up.

I have sailed the following boats Stratos, L2000, L3000, L4000, Vortex, Dart 16, RS400 and RS Vareo, so I have a good basis for comparision. I found the Vago to be quick compared to the Stratos, L2000, L3000 and the Vareo. The L4000 is faster, but so much more unforgiving, if you make a mistake you go for a swim. The RS400 is a lovely fast boat, but I find having to face backwards when tacking or gybing when crewing to be a big turnoff, especialy when combined with a very intrusive kicking strap. The Vortex is fast, but I never really got to grips with it and found recovery from a capsize to be a pain.

I haven't sailed any other boats, so I can't comment on the merits of the 29er, but from watching other people trying to sail one at Menorca Sailing in May it looks to be trickier than the L4000.

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your specification sounds as though the mirror is exactly what you want
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no peter hardly any one wants a mirror they're far too slow and most are too higher maintainance


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