Best alternative to Radial

   Hi

I'm after something for club racing on handicap mostly agains 3-4 Laser radials.
I really dont like Radials and there arent really enough to bother getting one for.
I have looked at the Comet Xtra, Streaker, Lightning368, Supernova and the Byte CII, Europe.
My bother has a CII which is great in light winds and beats then nice but, in a F5 radials kick CII backside  
Im 60KG so im a crap weight to begin with but im after a boat I can sail in the F5 and beond (well not to far beond) but still keep up with lasers. (beating them is also a good option or a good PY number )
Whats the best ting for beating a laser or do I have to get a laser with a radial and a 4.7 rig? at the age of 18 I cant have a 4.7 surley?

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zailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote zailor Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Best alternative to Radial Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 5:51pm
	Hi I'm after something for club racing on handicap mostly agains 3-4 Laser radials. I really dont like Radials and there arent really enough to bother getting one for. I have looked at the Comet Xtra, Streaker, Lightning368, Supernova and the Byte CII, Europe. My bother has a CII which is great in light winds and beats then nice but, in a F5 radials kick CII backside Im 60KG so im a crap weight to begin with but im after a boat I can sail in the F5 and beond (well not to far beond) but still keep up with lasers. (beating them is also a good option or a good PY number ) Whats the best ting for beating a laser or do I have to get a laser with a radial and a 4.7 rig? at the age of 18 I cant have a 4.7 surley?

Merlinboy Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169	Post Options Post Reply Quote Merlinboy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 6:02pm
	I suspect a forum wind guage here. From the list of boats above i would suspect the europe to be the only one close to a Laser in a big blow. Remeber always buy a boat that matchs your stetch of water and usual wind conditions! If you usually get a F5 (which i doubt) Then why bother buying a boat that is only competitive in these conditions!!

zailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote zailor Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 7:40pm
	Well were fortunate to get a F3 minimum on average (if there is such a thing as average wind)

Merlinboy Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169	Post Options Post Reply Quote Merlinboy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 7:54pm
	Where do you sail then? Its hard to recommend a boat with out knowing where you sail. Do you sail in the UK? An average wind strength of F£ i would say is fairly strong for anywhere in this county.

zailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote zailor Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 8:00pm
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ex laser Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725	Post Options Post Reply Quote ex laser Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 09 at 11:44pm
	i love my lightning 368, it is a lovely boat, nice to sail, with good quality controls and sail. it will beat the radial in winds up toF3 to F4. but in stronger winds the radial will win every time due to its longer waterline. i would not think any of the named boats could beat the radial in a F5 either,and any other boat that could, would need a helm of more than 60KG. sorry i could not be of more help. Edited by ex laser

jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 11:57am
	The only boat I would suggest would be something like a Byte CII. As others have already stated though the Radial will beat them when the wind gets up.
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	Constant F3 and above, and 60kg ... Topper maybe? Sail it well enough and thrash them on the handicap :p
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 4:05pm
	If sea sailing, the Europe is great.
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	I would go for the Byte CII. The Byte an be quite hard to sail in breeze if you have not set your rig up correctly but out in Canada I lined up with the Radials in a Byte on the windy days and was definitely higher and faster than the Youth sailors.
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