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    Posted: 06 Aug 08 at 10:53am

yes its not only china who limits what ppl can say and read, right here on yachts and yachting forums G,R,F has been band for standing up for truth and freedom,as sailers i thought you would defend the right of freedom, but seems not, in the words of the song,"sit back tight up,never put a fight up,sit there steaming till your face turns green... ...your a goodmorning machine, your a how are you device. robots robots your just a lot of robots.

siting there too scared to say what you think, in case the forum gods turn on you,

come on guys, be brave i am not asking you to sail round the world single handed, but in there spirt of freedom, i ask you to fight for the rights of a truly great man of words, lets get G,R,F the right to speek, for it is he that says what we are all to scard to say

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Has he? How would we know this?

I am sure I saw him posting quite recently ...

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LOL LOL  Are you related to Grumpf by any chance? Ever been windsurfing?

"G,R,F has been band for standing up for truth and freedom"

"for it is he that says what we are all to scard to say"

Maybe you're right, but daily homophobic, misogynist abuse isn't my idea of the truth. For every interesting post he wrote, he produced 3 pages of gratuitous provocation. He's like the avatar he recently acquired: black and white, loud, and way over the top. 

Then again, if you're such an advocate for Grumpf's rights, you'll tell me to shut up because I'm a woman but not the acceptable type  (you know, 22 years old blonde with great body and big tits). Unfortunately, I belong to the "old minger" congregation and thus have no right to be voicing my opinion here.

Also, I do not windsurf.

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I don't know GRF, I find him a little too opinionated and at times he speaks absolute rubbish.  But he is thought provoking and progressive, probably good for our sport and lets face it, ever so entertaining.  I say let the man back, lets hear more of his excuses when the v3000, 470, 505, laser, gp14 and mirror all condemn his Alto to the back of the fleet.  But lets also hear how he develops it, applies his windsurfing background to the class, and who knows, teaches all of us a thing or two.  There is no monopoly on good ideas and I for one think that he might have some.
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He's just turned up on SA - let's see how the seppos cope with him!
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Originally posted by Sunseeker

I don't know GRF, I find him a little too opinionated and at times he speaks absolute rubbish.  But he is thought provoking and progressive, probably good for our sport and lets face it, ever so entertaining.  I say let the man back, lets hear more of his excuses when the v3000, 470, 505, laser, gp14 and mirror all condemn his Alto to the back of the fleet.  But lets also hear how he develops it, applies his windsurfing background to the class, and who knows, teaches all of us a thing or two.  There is no monopoly on good ideas and I for one think that he might have some.

Indeed, of late, his stuff on the Alto has actually been quite interesting and informative.

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Isn't this his second ban? If so he managed to find his way back quite easily after the first. I am sure he will be back or at least his "Alto " ego will be!
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Originally posted by turnturtle


FWIW- I didn't find grumpf's posts too offensive, buit then I admit I have a very relaxed attitude to 'abuse' especially from the facelessness of a sailing forum; but then I'm male, straight and don't sail cats....

I'm not sure where his hate of cats came from - maybe the fact that he's struggled enough with one hull let along managing two!  

Anyway, I also had no problem with the bloke.  As above I have a strong tolerance for abuse and don't find that much offensive.  But, the admin have a duty to respond to calls for his banning if people feel that strongly about it. 

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Originally posted by alstorer

Originally posted by Sunseeker

I don't know GRF, I find him a little too opinionated and at times he speaks absolute rubbish.  But he is thought provoking and progressive, probably good for our sport and lets face it, ever so entertaining.  I say let the man back, lets hear more of his excuses when the v3000, 470, 505, laser, gp14 and mirror all condemn his Alto to the back of the fleet.  But lets also hear how he develops it, applies his windsurfing background to the class, and who knows, teaches all of us a thing or two.  There is no monopoly on good ideas and I for one think that he might have some.

Indeed, of late, his stuff on the Alto has actually been quite interesting and informative.

GRF - For every one interesting post, three pages of flaming.

A bit of flaming can be entertaining, but when it is every post, it ceases to be entertainment and becomes abuse.

3 x no hoper (written like this to show my point that flaming can be done in an entertaining way) and others may wish to aquaint themselves of the posts of GRF and his homophobic, mysogonistic, cat hating and generally anything prodding opinions before deciding that the freedom of speech has been removed.

FWIW, No-one lives in a country where the freedom of speach is absolute (even if you think you do).  Slander, Libel, Defamation, Obscenity, Perjury, Threats, Profanity, Company Secrets, Treason and Blasphemy anre all examples where the freedom of speech has been removed to provide a society.

Different countries have different limitations on the 'freedom of speech' .  The denial of the Holocaust is one such limitation in Germany (and other european countries)

Hate Speech - on the Internet it is Flaming - has been accepted as non society compatible for centuries and all countries have rules about that (encitement to violence / terrorism anyone?)

 

Freedom of speech on Y&Y - Yes

Tolerance of Bigots and Flamers - now that is a different debate.

Please get the facts correct before starting debates and making statements like this otherwise we have Freddy Star ate my Hamster debacles

 

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Also, this is a freely provided forum. Rules on free-speech etc are entirely the domain of the moderators/owners. This ain't no democracy.

 

I do appreciate that GRF's deliberate trolling:useful stuff ratio was way out of line (even for this place). But I thought he'd been getting a bit better. Not much, but a bit.

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