New ISO Sails

   I have a friend at my local club who about 2 months ago bought a set of the new ISO sails from Hyde, via wet + windy.  
Since then they are struggling to get any good boatspeed from them, with the old sails they were competing for line honours with the other fast boats, however now they are finishing with the GP14s and Enterprises.  They claim that the sails just aern't providing the power and that they have read a similar statement about the new Buzz sails.
I'm not to sure myself, i think that due to the quite big changes that have been made with the new sails they must sail differently and need to be set up differently.  I'm just wondering if there are any ISO (or Buzz) sailors out there who are having similar thoughts / problems.

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MpHarris Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 09 Jun 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141	Post Options Post Reply Quote MpHarris Report Post Quote Reply Topic: New ISO Sails Posted: 06 Aug 07 at 10:22am
	I have a friend at my local club who about 2 months ago bought a set of the new ISO sails from Hyde, via wet + windy. Since then they are struggling to get any good boatspeed from them, with the old sails they were competing for line honours with the other fast boats, however now they are finishing with the GP14s and Enterprises. They claim that the sails just aern't providing the power and that they have read a similar statement about the new Buzz sails. I'm not to sure myself, i think that due to the quite big changes that have been made with the new sails they must sail differently and need to be set up differently. I'm just wondering if there are any ISO (or Buzz) sailors out there who are having similar thoughts / problems.
	Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg"

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 07 at 10:38am
	Has he talked to the makers? They quite probably need quite different settings and handling as you say. Maybe Hydes could help him?

422797 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 19 Sep 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote 422797 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 07 at 11:14am
	On the ISO Class website there is a guide to sailing with the new Hydes. I have not read it, nor am I an ISO sailor but I would imagine it is a good start point.

Smight at BBSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129	Post Options Post Reply Quote Smight at BBSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 07 at 11:30am
	I would have thought the hyde sails would be more refined
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MpHarris Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 09 Jun 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141	Post Options Post Reply Quote MpHarris Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 07 at 12:24pm
	Thats what i thought apparently they have tried the website and have done things as the guide says but its not making a difference. Again i'm not 100% sure how accurate this is, or how closely their boat is set up to the one that is giving the advise, (strop length etc). I'd not thought about contacting Hyde i'll let them know and see what happens.
	Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg"

jpbuzz591 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793	Post Options Post Reply Quote jpbuzz591 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 07 at 1:11pm
	I was out racing yesterday with Josh (MPJPBUZZ585), and he had a new main and kite, and I was out with the old sails, and we seemed to be able to point a lot better than him, but downwind he seemed to catch up with the new cut kite. but he was using an old style jib, would that make a big difference?
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Prince Buster Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 15 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1146	Post Options Post Reply Quote Prince Buster Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 08 Aug 07 at 10:48pm
	The guys at my club with the new sails are going like sh*t off an uber shiny shovel at the moment, the new sails seem great!
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MRJP BUZZ 585 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1496	Post Options Post Reply Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Aug 07 at 12:01am
	The new sails ( especially on the iso's) are definately leading the old sails round the course, BUT talking to the guys doing the leading they have definately said of some changes they have made to the boat, best thing to do is to go to the nationals and talk to these guys and see if they can suggest anything
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BBSCFaithfull Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251	Post Options Post Reply Quote BBSCFaithfull Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Aug 07 at 9:53am
	Basically guys. With any new sail plan of course there are going to be changes. Have you taken into account for example the age of masts and the way people sail the boats and rig tensions etc? Or does everyone stick to regimented settings? Cheers, Alex
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ChrisJ Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 337	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChrisJ Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Aug 07 at 11:45am
	When I went from old sails to new sails on an RS400, my speed dropped right away. It took a couple of weeks or more of steady sailing, and lots of re-measuring and setting up to get the speed back. Then it was back to be being faster again. And the 400 sails are "all the same" whether new or old. So I would definately get the measures out and re-calculate what you want from the boat and how to set it up for that (e.g. fast vs flexible; waves vs flat water; point high vs foot fast; upwind vs downwind; keep it totally flat vs keep it nearly flat - everyone will want slightly different settings, and you need to know what you want and how to get it).