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    Posted: 22 Apr 07 at 6:36pm
During our club races this Sunday, Beating against tide, most sailors choosing the tack close  to the shore (30yds approx), needless to say some beach fishermen lost tackle. Before we know whats happened they are throwing rocks at us, one fisherman cast at us and managed to hit a Laser rig, if that weight had hit the helm in the head it would have killed him. Anyone else had this experience???? who is obliged to avoid who???? 
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Bastards!!
You should have gone ashore and given them a piece of your mind mate!! Happily I don't sail on a pond and have only ever had that problem at some inland open meetings.  I'm don't think there's any obligation to either of you to keep clear but generally both try to aviod each other if possible but I know what I would have done if they started lobbing rocks at my boat!!!
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Did they have their permits to be fishing there?

The lake I sail on has a strict "No Fishing" rule, due to the sailing and the safety boats ( fishing wire + prop = mess ) but they seem to ignore it a lot.

I have personally sailed close to the ones that do fish there, as they are more protective about their kit than you would think. They usually pull it out of the way after a while, and sometimes even leave!

The smart ones realise that 15 ft of shiny white boat on the surface will scare fish away, and take it as a hint ....

The dumb ones tell you to watch where you are going.

Inform the club safety crews, the commodore / someone on the commitee ( spelling ) / the people who provide permits for the fishing. You may be able to get their permits revoked if they do it again!
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  These were sea fishermen on the beach, 3 groynes away from our club. Big lumps of lead!!!  

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Well seeing as he was keeping out of the tide, then I'm guessing it's not on a lake, but on an estuary or river. In which case I think you should keep clear of them to be honest, I know if I was sat there fishing and you came and sailed into my line then I would be pretty peeved off! I think they could also move their line in a little to give you some room, I think it works both ways really.
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Was there any damage to the laser?

I would definately do something about it, even if no damage was caused
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At my local club the banks are covered in fishermen. But there is a fisherman's bailiff, and if we have any problems they get chucked out.

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Originally posted by GK.LaserII

During our club races this Sunday, Beating against tide, most sailors choosing the tack close  to the shore (30yds approx), needless to say some beach fishermen lost tackle. Before we know whats happened they are throwing rocks at us, one fisherman cast at us and managed to hit a Laser rig, if that weight had hit the helm in the head it would have killed him. Anyone else had this experience???? who is obliged to avoid who???? 

Hi everyone,

In my opinion the sailors are out of order.  On the sea, the fishermen have as much right to fish as sailors have to sail.  We all know that in certain conditions, sailors 'short tack' along the shore for the benefit of less tide.  If boats sail too close to the shore where people are fishing, it is inconsiderate as the fishermen can easily be spotted and the area immediately infront of them can be avoided.  Fishermen do not usually have to have a licence or a permit, or be a member of a club, to fish in the sea.

To sail within thirty yards or so of the fishermen is out of order.  It is obvious that if this occurs then lines will be broken and tackle lost, at the cost of a few pounds and causing inconvenience, particularly if the fishermen do not have spare tackle with them.  The problem is worse if the water is fairly shallow as some fishermen who are 'beachcasting' might be casting over a hundred yards so their lines could be quite high in the water for a considerable distance (alot more than thirty yards).

It is a case of both anglers and sailors being considerate to each other in order to avoid conflict.  It is not difficult.  One of the problems is that many fishermen do not understand what racing is about or what the sailors are doing.  I was speaking to a tackle dealer last week who fishes on a local tarn where there is a sailing club and sailing school.  He made the same complaint about the sailors.  I asked him where he was fishing and why.  He said that he was fishing near to a 'buoy' as it was a 'feature' (ground tackle, weights and chains, etc.) for fish to be attracted to.  The so called 'buoy'  was in fact a 'windward mark' so there was little wonder that he was bothered with boats.  I spent some time explaining to him about sailing and racing and he said that it was the first time, in fifty years, that anyone had explained things to him.  He also admitted that he had never made any effort to find out. 

Sailing through lines, throwing stones or casting hooks, leads, worms and maggots at sails is out of order. A bit of consideration, forward planning and maybe a few words of explanation is all that is needed.

Ian  (Yorkshire Dales S.C.)  



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Well, after you destroy their tackle, sailing along the beach with the whole ocean to sail in, do you go and apologise and pay for it?
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i was windsurfing in lanzarote when i went abit too close to a old spainish couple who were fishing with what looked like a piece of wood, they then started shouting and me in spainish and jumping up and down. i found this funny and waved and laughed at them before tacking and running away from them
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