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    Posted: 18 Mar 07 at 10:13pm

Are Laser and Topper dropping out of high performance boat production?  I notice that the Xenon and Omega are combining for open meetings.  Clearly the most high performance Topper is no faster than an Omega.  Similarly Laser do not appear to be developing anything faster than a Vago. 

There is a niche for a 2 man single trapeze skiff type boat which with a carbon rig and epoxy construction would be light enough to give a yardstick of around 850.  I can't see it being developed by Laser since it would compete with the 4000 but Topper should, before RS do.
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Surely the RS 500 fits this bill allthough not quite and i can't see RS building another boat similar to it and I thought that  the RS800 can be sailed with a single trapeze as part of the weight equalisation system possibly with wider racks?
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It looks like RS are the only ones NOT so interested in putting something in every hole in the market, and the RS500 looks like a fun boat to sail, so with a little time, Laser and Topper might realise that boats made from Tesco carrier bags arn't as good as they think.

Especially when they weigh almost 300 KG!
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Originally posted by redback

There is a niche for a 2 man single trapeze skiff type boat which with a carbon rig and epoxy construction would be light enough to give a yardstick of around 850.  I can't see it being developed by Laser since it would compete with the 4000 but Topper should, before RS do.

The niche isn't empty. The Cherub and especially the daemon fills the gap.
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single trapeze he says.

Not sure you can get a single trap boat to go that quick.  29er rates at roughly 926ish (?), and the RS500 won't get near 850, neither will the V3000.  For 850, you need to be faster than a 700, Musto, B14 and not much slower than an RS800. 

Topper can't build boats nearly light enough to make them go this fast. 
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A b14 isnt far off the mark at 880. Somethin like a b14 with a slightly bigger kite, narrower wings and a single wire wud fit the bill.
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Originally posted by owain

A b14 isnt far off the mark at 880. Somethin like a b14 with a slightly bigger kite, narrower wings and a single wire wud fit the bill.

We were almost there then, with a B14E:

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2 358&KW=B14

Bit more carbon in hull, rig, racks & foils should do it.

There was the single-wire 800, of course, but nobody seemed to fancy it.

So, would there be a demand?

 
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by owain

A b14 isnt far off the mark at 880. Somethin like a b14 with a slightly bigger kite, narrower wings and a single wire wud fit the bill.

We were almost there then, with a B14E:

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2 358&KW=B14

Bit more carbon in hull, rig, racks & foils should do it.

There was the single-wire 800, of course, but nobody seemed to fancy it.

So, would there be a demand?

 



Was just going to say B14. PY of 850 is pretty quick, that is faster than many twin wire boats.

The single wire 800 is truly horrible. Getting overpowered in F3 isn't any fun and  performance is dire without the extra righting moment.
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Originally posted by redback

There is a niche for a 2 man single trapeze skiff type boat


However its clearly not a very big niche...
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