Could a UK Cherub be a 12'Skiff?

I think there are slight differences between the nz and aus 12 rules so I geuss you could make a UK 12 set but officially....

T-foils are allowed in cherubs, and not in 12s...but this is pretty painless to swap between

Racks... Nothing ive seen stops 12s running racked wings but their current designs just dont suit them

Difference between false floor and gunwhale height: could present issues... some of the racked boats have pretty low gunwhales, but then for this purpose could you argue the rack represents the gunwhale?

Bouyancy... some issues again but realisticaly if a boat fits cherub bouyancy rules, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it not 'quite' fitting 12 bouyancy regs

Snout shape... there might be something banning bouyant snouts in 12s? not sure....

On the whole though... cherubs have an open invitation to compete in 12 events anyway so despite a few little blurry bits I dont think there would be a problem

i think R classes are 13ft so i don't think so

Looking again the NSW rules would not like the snout on most UK boats

(i) integrated bow structures that may extend the ‘out of water’ length by 700mm. The structure can extend below the top edge of the gunwale 100mm with a width of 370mm. Web members may extend below this to within 100mm height of the forefoot with maximum total cross-sectional dimensions of 80mm by 15mm width. (see fig 2).

They do not seem to like side tanks

(iii) The Vertical distance between the top edge of the gunwales and the top of any buoyancy compartment must be greater than 300mm between the front edge of the centreboard case and 700mm forward of the transom measured on the centreline.


NZL rules would not like the snouts on most UK Cherubs

b) Bow and Extensions: A bowsprit and a device to support such bowsprit are allowed. Neither shall extend more than 700mm beyond the stem. Any device to support the bowsprit shall not exceed cross-sectional dimensions of 13mm transversely, by 80mm. The support device may be attached to the stem by any means, and must fit within a triangle shape from between the sheer line and 100mm above the bottom of the stem to the end of the bowsprit.

and possibly the racks depending on definition.

e) Hull: All skiffs shall be of a single hull construction. Any extensions or devices that increase righting moment (eg. floats or outriggers) are prohibited

But there are enough differences between each of them that you could eisily write a set of rules for UK 12' skiffs  that would allow UK Cherubs to be sail without to much difficulty. You could even allow T-foils if you wanted.

Because they've run out of things to fiddle with on their boats  So hence making new ones

Originally posted by redback I admire you Cherub guys so don't take this wrong but why?

the two boats are intrinsicaly very similar and there is one cherub already running a 12 rig, and another currently being converted and well as a 'real' 12 being imported from down under so it seems like a very relavant topic to me...