2 Man Boat for Fatties

    It seems to me that every new design of boat claims to find a niche in the market. Yet all these boats seem aimed at the "leightweight" or youth sailor when the one major area not catered for is a decent two man hiker capable of carrying two large crew. Please dont quote the 59er because contrary to some people i actually found it underpowered upwind due to the extremely flat mainsail. The 400 is ok but you struggle if you are much over 25 stone (combined) ,is a bit of a plodder and the spin is too small. What is needed is something withthree decent sized sails, lightweight hull and capable of carrying 25 to 30 stone and still remain competitve

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limey Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 21 Dec 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 46	Post Options Post Reply Quote limey Report Post Quote Reply Topic: 2 Man Boat for Fatties Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 7:54pm
	It seems to me that every new design of boat claims to find a niche in the market. Yet all these boats seem aimed at the "leightweight" or youth sailor when the one major area not catered for is a decent two man hiker capable of carrying two large crew. Please dont quote the 59er because contrary to some people i actually found it underpowered upwind due to the extremely flat mainsail. The 400 is ok but you struggle if you are much over 25 stone (combined) ,is a bit of a plodder and the spin is too small. What is needed is something withthree decent sized sails, lightweight hull and capable of carrying 25 to 30 stone and still remain competitve

les5269 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530	Post Options Post Reply Quote les5269 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 8:14pm
	What about a flying fifteen?don't know what their optimum is but I know there are some heavyish crews on them Ooops missed the lightweight hull part!! Edited by les5269
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49erGBR735HSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote 49erGBR735HSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 8:17pm
	Laser 5000 would be a good choice if you want to go twin stringing. Another option may be the 505.
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 8:24pm
	I think les5269 has hit something there. Granted, there doesnt appear to be any hiking dinghy/skiffs for the larger crew weights, but aside from that theres a really good small keelboat racing scene. Flying fifteen a good one, especially if you're anywhere near hayling island, i seem to remember there being a fair few of them there. Or another good one would be the Rsk6, ive seen it racing and it looks really nice, has a good national circuit and would hold ur weight quite nicely. Otherwise for dinghys, you could force your crew out on the wire and get an osprey (seems to hold weight very well) but then if hikings what u want then that wont be for you.

russell Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 05 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 68	Post Options Post Reply Quote russell Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 8:36pm
	I know you said don't BUT.... I recently went through a similar process, looking for a 2 person boat that will carry my 94kg as a helm, I also didn't want trapezes because I sail on a smallish lake and will often have novice crews. I did settle on the 59er cos it met all of these, looks nice and secondhand prices have now dropped enough to justify as a second boat. Not really noticed it being underpowered upwind, we had 200kg in it last weekend and both of us sat on the side in a 2-3. If the sail was fuller it probably would have more power but would you then cope without a trapeze? Which if you look at other threads on this forum you will see people have fitted. I have previously owned an RS400, it didn't light my candle, maybe as you say kite too small, and the crew has to work quite hard, separate pole hoist etc is tedious. Sailed 505's for years and they are a fantastic boat but no good for me now on the lake. So I think where you sail plays a big part in the decision making process.
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redback Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502	Post Options Post Reply Quote redback Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 9:31pm
	I believe the original design objective for the Osprey was 3 handed so a couple of hundred kgs should be OK. It certainly has a lot of length behind the helm so should be able to support a lot of weight at the back of the boat.

dangerous Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 19 Aug 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote dangerous Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 9:33pm
	You MUST consider the Osprey for a beautifully behaved boat that fills all of your criteria. This winter we have been racing with more than 30 stone on board. Untouchable in the Fat Boy weather.

Strawberry Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 21 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1337	Post Options Post Reply Quote Strawberry Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 1:02am
	I can't believe no one has mentioned the B14 yet. Excellent boat, and I believe it can carry some pies. Also non-trapeze.It has a big, sophisticated rig, and a light efficient hull. Also an excellent class with a good international following. Check out the fin and games at the worlds.
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limey Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 21 Dec 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 46	Post Options Post Reply Quote limey Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 1:42am
	Hold on guys, i think you are missing the point !!! The laser 5000, Osprey,Flying 15 are NOT high performance two man hikers. Thats why there is a big gap in the market because there isnt one. As soon as you introduce a single wire it will favour the lightweight helm who will naturally have a lardy crew out on the wire where weight counts most. So the only true way to accomodate the heavier helm is to have either a two man hiker or two man trapeze . The 5000 may fit the latter but it is neither light nor modern and unfortunately popularity has seen better days. Hence the need for a new design

les5269 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530	Post Options Post Reply Quote les5269 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 6:45am
	but you didn't ask for high performance the B14 is a good option tho,and the fifteen may not have a light hull but it has a huge following with racing at most clubs capable of holding them
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