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    Posted: 04 Dec 05 at 5:59pm

Interesting to read the article in the latest Y&Y about Beadsworth & Carr.

 

I have to agree with Beadsworth that the Olympics is the pinnacle – it is the purest test of an individual(s) sailing ability.

If we are looking for a test of a broader range of skills – technology, design, teamwork, financing, project management then it has to be the Americas Cup in my view.

Where would the other major events fit? 

 

How would you define an ultimate sailing champion?

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There's no one pinnacle, which in my view is a good thing. The Little Americas Cup - the C Class event is certainly a pinnacle, so is the outright speed record.

The top of true skiff sailing, for al its an AUS/NZ event only is probably the 12 foot skiff interdominion champs, with the other skiff classes being much less open in design these days.

And how can you possibly exclude the International Moth World Championships?
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It's difficult to say the Americas Cup etc. because there is such a large team involved, all specializing in different areas.

I'd probably have to go with Olympic Gold in the Laser class, since it is usually regarded as the most competitive and one design of all classes. Possibly the 49er class has this aspect too.

 

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Almost impossible to answer.

TBH it would have to be the following:

Gold Medal in the Tornado at the Ollys - Elvestron managed a fiar colection, but this was the one he could not get.

Sydney Hobart win

Volvo ocean race win

Americas Cup win.

Vendee Globe win.

Couple of speed records.

I.e. Impossible !  No-one is going to do them all.  I'd have to say that maybe a Gold in anything, followed by a America's cup win, plus some single handed would come out well.  Ben's got a chance (Ellen needs to win a gold in the olly's).  But our sport is so difficult that I don't think you can have an pinnacle that people will agree on.

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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Almost impossible to answer.

That's why it's an interesting topic ...

I still think the Olympics is the purest test ...

Our sport has many challenges each not easy to win; this is one of the reasons why it struggles with the media and sponsors ... but if we had to pick one what would it be?

Perhaps easier to ask the question - who is the best sailor of all time?

I'd say Coutts - Olympic Gold, 3 Americas Cup plus many others ...

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if you think about its a bit like saying who is the best car and bike racer keel boats being cars and dinghys being bikes there are many grat people but they are all good at difrent things so you would  have to say who is best at each thing

i would say

coutts for keel

and ben anlasy for dinghys

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Perhaps easier to ask the question - who is the best sailor of all time?


I'd say Coutts - Olympic Gold, 3 Americas Cup plus many others ...



Can any seriously not say its Paul Elvstrom?
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I did consider him of course but did he ever achieve in the AC or other keel boat events?

 

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Ellen Mac hitting the top spot in Top Gear's 'star in a reasonably priced car'?
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Originally posted by smurfer

Ellen Mac hitting the top spot in Top Gear's 'star in a reasonably priced car'?

I just watched that ... I think that says a lot about her determination and ability to learn fast ...

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