RS Vision/ Laser Bahia Vs Wayfarer/ Comet Trio

I'm looking to buy a second hand Rs Vision or Laser Bahia. I want to be able to do a bit of Racing with a friend on a Lake but also to do some coastal day trips with family/friends up to 4 adults & one child maximum. Very interested to hear people's opinions on both boats. Thank you. 

Edited by Jamieg - 06 Oct 15 at 6:40pm

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Jamieg Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 01 Oct 15 Location: Chippenham Online Status: Offline Posts: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jamieg Report Post Quote Reply Topic: RS Vision/ Laser Bahia Vs Wayfarer/ Comet Trio Posted: 01 Oct 15 at 10:49pm
	I'm looking to buy a second hand Rs Vision or Laser Bahia. I want to be able to do a bit of Racing with a friend on a Lake but also to do some coastal day trips with family/friends up to 4 adults & one child maximum. Very interested to hear people's opinions on both boats. Thank you. Edited by Jamieg - 06 Oct 15 at 6:40pm
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Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 15 at 11:12pm
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ClubRacer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210	Post Options Post Reply Quote ClubRacer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 15 at 11:50pm
	my first impression when i saw the title was neither. The issue you've got is cruising and racing are like complete opposites Personally I think the vision is a very well sorted boat for the most part and easy to maintain, although you will have to do lots of it! No experience with the Bahia, but looking at the other laser boats and a quick picture on google, it will probably be, to put it bluntly, complete sh*t! Other considerations are needed though, both boats will weigh a ton on the beach and be a pain to get back up-right when you capsize. So, are you heavy enough as a pair? Do you have beach winches? How young and fit are you?(even pulling it down the beach is bloody hard work) there's no boat that will meet both criteria nicely so choose which is your priority and decide if you should try looking at other boats instead EDIT: Laser 2000 came to mind, heavier/not as much space but it seems to race OK, and its got a bandit handicap so you can trophy hunt (and you don't even need to hike out or try!) although getting this one on a budget is harder And they're pretty bullet proof, can let them sail down slip ways and all sorts with no real damage Edited by ClubRacer - 01 Oct 15 at 11:56pm

NickM Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 328	Post Options Post Reply Quote NickM Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 9:35am
	Stratos? See the other similar thread on here.

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 9:47am
	The Bahia felt like a bouncy castle when sailing, it was so lacking in stiffness. Vision not as bad, and I know people who own them and enjoy them, but they tend to just go out for a Sunday afternoon Potter. More space in the Vision, I'd say, but still going to be crowded with 5 on board.
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Jamieg Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 01 Oct 15 Location: Chippenham Online Status: Offline Posts: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jamieg Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 10:29am
	I sail at Whitefriars I basically want a boat that I can do a bit of racing in try & keep up with the Lady's in their Wayfarer & take down to the coast with my wife she isn't a sailer & maybe take my Sister & Neice out in. I have thought of going for a Laser 2000 to do more racing rather than cruising but would like to do abit of both but won't be taking the racing to seriously. Also needs to be comfortable because of my back. Which is why I thought of the Vision Bahia a fast cruiser with a high boom. I did look at the Stravos but think it is just to heavy. Edited by Jamieg - 02 Oct 15 at 2:24pm
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ClubRacer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210	Post Options Post Reply Quote ClubRacer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 11:00am
	If you've got back issues probably trying to pull around a close to 200kg boat is the biggest thing to look at Stuck for ideas now

Jamieg Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 01 Oct 15 Location: Chippenham Online Status: Offline Posts: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jamieg Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 11:28am
	We have been sailing the club Comet trio & have managed that fine. I am young ish strong with good core strength. I avoid lifting etc. I struggle more with sitting due to sciatica. Their is also normally people around which could help and the slipways are good at the club. I find sailing helps my back by keeping me morning etc. Edited by Jamieg - 02 Oct 15 at 1:20pm
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Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 11:37am
	The Vision is the worst boat I have sailed to date, and I have sailed a lot of classes. High sheet loads, high helm loads (and yes, the blade was right down). We had two as club boats but they have gone in favour of a Hartley Wayfarer (quicker, easier, nicer and more roomy) and a Laser 2000 (because we have a fleet at our club). One other issue we had with the club boats, was that when things pull out of a rotomoulded hull like the Visions, they are more difficult to repair than on a GRP or wooden boat. No experience of the Bahia, but I suspect it is in the same league as the Vision, as the above comments seem to imply.
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Paramedic Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paramedic Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 02 Oct 15 at 4:34pm
	I really don't get why any private individual would ever buy a boat like a Vison, Omega or Bahia. They are ideal for sailing schools as they can throw them away as life expired after 5 years - which they often are. And that is the problem. The material they are moulded out of is worse even than the old school single skin GRP used in the bad old days and whats worse still? You can't fix it properly, if at all should you get any damage. You can buy a new training specification GP14 starting at around £5000 on one website. That is an infinitely better boat than ANY rotomoulded jellyfish. You could even get one for £600 and it would still be a better boat and investment. Please, please leave the jellymoulds to the sailing centres and buy a proper boat to sail yourself. Edited by Paramedic - 02 Oct 15 at 4:35pm