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    Posted: 06 Jun 13 at 2:56am
Does anyone know the weight of a Skipper 12? I'm new to sailing (second year) and would like to get a boat that is stable and has a high boom which the Skippers seem to be. They look like they are easy to rig too, as well as being cheap to buy.

I am likely to be sailing single handed most of the time hence wondering about the weight of them. I dont want a light boat that will be tipping about all the time, so happy for a boat to be on the larger side but not too heavy to drag out on my own. I trained in and have since been using a club GP14 which i enjoy for the stability, high boom and space, but could do with something a bit lighter for sailing singlehanded.

Ive been trying to work out what would be suitable for a while now. I was hoping to find a decent sized single hander, but cant seem to find any that has a high boom and not tippy. I dont want a racing type boat - more cruising style really. Perhaps what im looking for doesnt exist! So the other angle is to find a double hander that can be sailed single handed.

Im 100kg with problems with one of my feet, hence wanting a stable boat with high boom so i dont have to keep ducking or jumping about!

Any thoughts on the weight of the Skipper 12 (or 14) ,or suggestions for a boat would be most appreciated.

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Weight of a Skipper 12? Lots.

There were a lot of the Skippers built, but they never had a good reputation around the clubs or amongst committed sailors. They were sold as beginners boats to people who didn't have a lot of experience.

The major problem, as I recall, was that the rig and fittings were rudimentary at best. These boats are going to be thirty years old at the very least I should have thought. I reckon a more modern entry level boat like some of the better rotomoulds would be a better bet in your position: even the worst of them are far better fitted out than the 70s boat. I don't know I'm the best person to suggest which one though.

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I would have thought a Heron would do the job.

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off the top of my head. 2 hander that can be single handed, stable and used widely for cruising. Gull.

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That was the next one I was going to post
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

I would have thought a Heron would do the job.



Better that a Skipper anyway. A least you can put a decent rig on it. A Gull would be another possibility although the Gull's boom is somewhat lower than the Heron's boom. Being double chined a, Gull's a bit rollier than a Heron too.
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Both Gull and Heron are fairly small for a 100kg guy with movement problems. A GP14 with reefing points in the sail might work well.

I have to agree with Jim that the Skipper range weren't the best fitted out boats around. Chances are that any available will be in a poor state - check the deck to hull joint, they tend to crack up, then when you heel over the boat fills with water...

I can find the weight when built when I go home later, but it won't bear much resemblance to what it would weigh now.

If you enjoyed sailing it when learning, though, I can't see any particular reason why not to get one - if you can find one, it will be cheap - provided you give it a good check over. Maybe take someone who knows a lot about GRP boats along if necessary to give advice.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Both Gull and Heron are fairly small for a 100kg guy with movement problems. A GP14 with reefing points in the sail might work well.I have to agree with Jim that the Skipper range weren't the best fitted out boats around. Chances are that any available will be in a poor state - check the deck to hull joint, they tend to crack up, then when you heel over the boat fills with water...I can find the weight when built when I go home later, but it won't bear much resemblance to what it would weigh now.If you enjoyed sailing it when learning, though, I can't see any particular reason why not to get one - if you can find one, it will be cheap - provided you give it a good check over. Maybe take someone who knows a lot about GRP boats along if necessary to give advice.



My rational for the Heron was:

Yes small for a 100kg guy - but: stable, high boom, lightish and helm isn't that mobile so the small size would, I guessed, be a benefit.

There is a inherent difficult in the problem i.e Larger, stable boats are not light. But yep it might be better to go the GP route as you suggested and live with the weight of it. And or modify a launching trolley to help with the weight, by adding a jockey wheel to it.
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Weight and stability do seem to go together. Maybe an Enterprise with a cruising rig? Bigger, but reasonably lightly built.

One thing I'd suggest for the trolley is a dolly wheel at the front, so you are only having to cope with the weight of the boat on the slip, not on the trolley too.
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I would have serious reservations about pushing a beginner out single-handed in either a GP14 or an Enterprise. Even at 100KG (about 17 stone in human weigh measurements?) he would be nowhere near heavy enough in even a moderate breeze.
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