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kiwi66 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Feb 10 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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It is amusing to see the BMW Oracle boat being called a boat that represents the USA, yet both the CEO and the helmsman were both non Americans.
If Yachting is a sport where a boat is flying a country's ensign should it not have that country's citizens as crew and shore crew ? Strange to see the USA media giving Coutts his full title, we Kiwis tend to have long memories when loyalty to country seems to be forgotten |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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Its a long standing tradition in the US. Apparently the early 20th century Americas Cuppers were mostly crewed by Scandinavian Fishermen.
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mongrel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304 |
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Didn't the Kiwis' hire Ben Ainslie?
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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BMW Oracle had 2 American nationals on board (out of 12) and Alinghi had 3 Swiss (out of 14) so the crews nationalities had little to do with it. Top nation represented was New Zealand, admittedly spread across the 2 boats. |
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GraemeB ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 84 |
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.....who cares. This was the sailing eqivalent to the Jim Rose Circus pay your dollar and gawp. |
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JohnW ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jul 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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And sponsored by that well known American car company: Bayerische Motoren Werke Edited by JohnW |
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FreshScum ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 99 |
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kiwi66, maybe it should go the nationality route, but then the kiwis would
have all the sailors, and none of the money, if you took it all the way through to sponsors and funding. The AC is supposed to be a competition between Yacht Clubs, and as far as I am concerned, if you didn't let someone be a member of a YC because of their nationality, that would make you a xenophobe/racist, and not someone I'd want to sail against. |
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kiwi66 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Feb 10 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Maybe some Americans do not get it, the vast majority of Kiwis dislike people whom we consider to be disloyal. No nationalism,you must be kidding, each boat was flying it's country's ensign in the Auckland basin. A race between Yacht Clubs true, and one would hope that the each yacht club would develop it's own sailors, not buy them in like some have done. xenophobe/racist hardly, but like other sports a five year stand down between clubs from different countries would not go amiss. |
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FreshScum ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 99 |
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I remember 'Loyal' as a motto, the government support of it, and the death
threats that the kiwis who went to Alinghi received. Did you miss the bit where I (and the DoG) said Yacht Clubs? Of course a YC comes from a country. In AC 32 though, there were several YCs from Italy, who gets to be the Italian team, or is it all of them? I'd also say the vast majority of kiwis who know the conditions that were presented to RC and BB after AC 31 would understand how the situation was not acceptable to them, and would not have allowed them to make a successful defense. It might not be acceptable behaviour to you, but you can understand why it was not just the money that took them away from TNZ. |
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Laser 173312 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 416 |
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I have an admission to make here. 7 years ago today My wife and I flew out to Auckland for the 2003 cup. When we got there we were so disgusted with the ‘Loyal’ campaign we supported Alinghi. I’m better now though. Russell and Brad were put in an impossible position by TNZ. They had to agree to take on debts from the previous cup without being told the size of the debt. However it’s all irrelevant as reading the DoG it is only the vessel that has to be constructed in country, not the crew. |
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