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    Posted: 15 Jul 08 at 7:12pm

well my rs300 kicker cleats keep coming out. it is the tension of the toestrap elastics pulling them outwards i think. i was thinking of drilling the holes bigger and filling with epoxy and then drilling small holes and using a self tapper to try and get a better hold (the deck is very thin).

can anyone tell me if this will work or have any better suggestions?

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Sounds like through bolting, possibly with a backing plate. If there is a handy hatch nearby.
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You've got to get something in behind if you can.  Don't drill out and fill with epoxy - you'll just pull out the epoxy.  You could try and screw the fitting in place with loads of araldite so that it both fills the screw threads and glues the fitting to the gell coat but if you've got forces trying to lift it rather than in shear I'd still be sceptical of a long term fix. 

You could try spreading the load by fixing a plate to the outside so that several fixings go through and then mount the cleat on that but it won't look good.

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Can you get away rules-wise with moving the cleat to a sound area and reattaching?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 08 at 12:52pm

Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

Sounds like through bolting, possibly with a backing plate. If there is a handy hatch nearby.

The hatch can be some way away. On my Contender when I was fittling reaching toe-straps I managed to epoxy on backing plates under the deck even though the nearest hatch was almost 2m away:-

Drill screw holes in the deck in the correct positions for the final fitting, feed ropes through the holes and out of the nearest hatch hatch(might need to make a hook with some wire and a tiller extension), feed the ropes through the pre drilled/epoxied backing pads and knot, pull the ropes back through from deck side applying enough tension to get a good bond, let the epoxy cure then poke/drill the rope out and screw the fitting on. Worked a treat.

I considered bonding some M4 nuts/washers onto the pads so I could through bolt but thought keeping them clear of epoxy might be difficult and you probably only get one go at it.



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Nice idea, I like it and will be having a go in the not too distant future.

Thanks.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 08 at 2:16pm

It sounds as easy as replacing the transom plate bolts on a Topper.

Shear the head off the loose nut, make the hole a bit bigger, turn the boat on its starboard side, remove the bung assembly, feed a length of weighted whipping twine through bolt hole in the transom plate.
When you can see the whipping twine dangle in the bung hole, quickly grab it, attach (firmly) a bolt and washer to it and gently pull the twine out ot the hole in the transom. 
The bolt should follow. You just have to secure the bolt with a washer and NyLoc, make sure you've applied sealant and do it again for the other nuts.
Easy...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 08 at 2:25pm

I really enjoyed the challenge.

I once considered rebilding the failed main mast support frame on my first boat just using the 2 forward cockpit hatches in order to save the freshly epoxied and varnished decks.

In the end I didn't have time and sold the boat instead... sorry to whoever bought K353 from me... it was 20 years ago but I still feel guilty.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote FireballNeil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 08 at 2:42pm
Its probably best to find out what other 300 sailors have done, you can't be the only one with this problem surely?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jul 08 at 12:06am
I am pretty sure you can fit a hatch either side of the mastpot there are photos of the positions in the photo galley on the rs300.org site

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