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    Posted: 14 Dec 07 at 9:24pm

RE harnesses,

isnt it 'illegal' to use a non quick releasing harness now? that being in the sense that events should not allow them.

or does this only apply to RYA teaching etc?
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My understanding that it is still LEGAL to wear a non-quick release harness. Although they tried to bring in the rule it got dropped.
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well even if its not a requirement, what would be bad about wearing a QR trap herness with rashie over and then BA over that. this way you can release the harness and all buckles etc are covered. and you can get the BA of if needs be.
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Originally posted by tmoore

well even if its not a requirement, what would be bad about wearing a QR trap herness with rashie over and then BA over that. this way you can release the harness and all buckles etc are covered. and you can get the BA of if needs be.



Sometimes the ba gets caught on stuff, i do wear a rashie over my ba but i also carry a knife so i can hopefully cut stuff free if ever needed
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Originally posted by tmoore

RE harnesses,


isnt it 'illegal' to use a non quick releasing harness now? that being in the sense that events should not allow them.


or does this only apply to RYA teaching etc?


For racing:

Originally posted by THE RULES


SUPPLEMENT- 2 to the RACING RULES OF SAILING for 2005 - 2008 - Issued
December 2005
Rule 40.2
The date in the note under rule 40.2 should be replaced as follows:
Note: This rule takes effect on 1 January 2006 1 January 2009.
This change in the note to Rule 40.2 will apply immediately and effectively means that rule
40.2 will not take effect before the new edition of the Racing Rules of Sailing (2009-2012)
will be published.
ISAF continues working on safety improvements and will publish information about quick
release devices in January 2006 on the ISAF Website.


As to reality: there's an ISO standard due to be published in 2010. Chances are most QR systems around at the moment will fail to comply. Just, y'know, because. If something similar to 40.2 is in the 2009 rules, it'll likely make reference to the standard.
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Originally posted by tmoore

RE harnesses,

isnt it 'illegal' to use a non quick releasing harness now? that being in the sense that events should not allow them.

or does this only apply to RYA teaching etc?


I think part of the problem was the rule didn't really define what a quick release harness is, when it counts as in use etc. The majority of entrapment incidents aren't caused by harness hooks anyway (if I remember the RYA data correctly).
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Originally posted by ratface

Originally posted by Chris Bridges

The trapeze line for the helm is in quite possibly the most annoying place..


when will crews ever learn that boats were designed with the helm in mind and not the crew

on topic i always now wear a spray top or rashie  over my BA, unless im teaching


I am the helm and its in an annoying place for the helm... less than half a metre from the back of the wing, half way into the wing as oppose to on the edge. Its best to go behind it and hook on, but the space is so small you get caught on it
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Having been involved in an entrapment by getting a control line wound around a buckle, I now keep my silloette as clean as possible.  Hence bouyancy aid under a top and harness the outer most layer.
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