Dehler 31 tuning and sailing |
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captainkirk ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to asking this but I get the impression
this site has more readers that are into tuning and tweaking than others so here goes. We recently bought a Dehler 31 cruiser / racer, the boat is great but it has a strong tendancy to head up when sailing upwind. This is apparently a characteristic of the boat but I am sure that with the correct rig set up that the problem could be made a lot better if not overcome entirely. Any opinions on mast rake, bend, rig tension, sail twist etc, etc....would be greatly apprecitated. Add to that helming and sail setting techniques aswell. Edited by captainkirk |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Too much rake? But the commonest reason for weather helm on keelboats is not keeping the boat flat enough. So: Not enough forestay tension (over-deep genoa)? Old baggy sails? Buy new ones. Too much sail area in too much wind? Not enough crew on the rail? Helm needs to feather slightly?
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WildWood ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Nov 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 136 |
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Poor balance in your sail plan could easily explain the boat luffing too much. The mainsail encourages a boat to luff while the head sail makes it bear away. Therefore too much mainsail power relative to the headsail power would make the boat luff. I think the Dehler 31 has a fractional rig and therefore probably has a big main compared to the head sail size. To sort the problem you should try either depowering the mainsail or getting more power from your head sail.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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That's more true of dinghies than keelboats. On a keelboat, the tendency to luff comes largely from excessive heel, especially on designs with fairly wide sterns, which most modern boats have. As they heel, because there is more volume astern, the stern rises, the bow dips and the centre of lateral resistance therefore shifts forwards. The implication is that too much power from the headsail also contributes to weather helm. This is why forestay tension is a key tuning variable on keelboats with simple fractional runnerless rigs. |
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WildWood ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Nov 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 136 |
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So are you saying the boat is overpowered? and does forestay tension relate to power from the headsail? I agree that too much headsail power makes the boat want to luff if the boat is already over powered, but assuming the boat isn't excessively heeled and still wants to luff, I think that could be linked to poor balance between the main and head sail. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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It might well be overpowered. It might be something else. Not enough information to tell. Forestay tension is a very important tuning variable for keelboats. Too little and the headsail is too deep, lots of power but can't point. Too much and the boat lacks acceleration and is very difficult to keep in the groove. |
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WildWood ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Nov 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 136 |
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How much affect has back stay got on the forestay tension then? It seems like it would have an affect but we've primarily used it to a pre bend and flatten the top of the main. Do you adjust forestay tension by adjusting the shrouds?
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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If the boat has a fractional rig and runners, forestay tension is largely controlled by them. For fractional rigs, swept-back spreaders and no runners, it's a black art. I used to own a boat with a single-spreader swept rig and no backstay. Setting forestay tension involved a combination of caps and lowers tension. If you just tension the caps, you increase forestay tension up to a point, then more caps tension starts to compress the mast and it decreases forestay tension. Adding lowers tension straightens the mast and you get more forestay tension. You need to fiddle about with a gauge and spanners and experiment. If you have a backstay, then generally more tension = more forestay tension. However the backstay is also tending to compress the mast and the bow effect can push the forestay attachment effect forwards = less tension. Lowers tension counteracts this. It's paradoxical but these simple rigs are complicated to tune because you get these complex interactions. |
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Pete Cooper ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 19 |
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