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    Posted: 26 Aug 22 at 10:01am
Originally posted by A2Z

Just to be clear, I didn’t start this thread to bash the RYA or PY - I just thought it an interesting observation that the gap between fast and slow boats appeared to have been widening and that the Laser now rates about the same as the Radial did 10 years ago.


Yes, sorry for taking it off at a tangent but It's traditional ;-)

As far as I can work out the RYA spends buttons or nothing on the system. It's administered by volunteers. I guess the electronic returns part cost something to set up.

I reckon the volunteers do brilliant and diligent work given the job description. 


I hope your observations are the result of more returns from coastal clubs, it would certainly explain perfectly the changing numbers.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I'm not sure when the benchmark idea was scrapped - either 60s or 70s, I think, if it isn't just a sailing myth brought about because the Firefly was 100 and yardsticks barely moved due to the returns method.

A benchmark makes little sense, despite other assertions on here over the years. If one boat stays the same, but the results don't bear that out, every other class would need to be altered to correct things. 

The original Portsmouth Yardstick system did have a scratch boat set at 100, it was developed in 1947 by Stanley Milledge, who was in charge of handicapping racing at the Langstone Sailing Club and he designated the Island One Design as the scratch boat. I don't know if the Firefly's 100 PN was coincidence or planned.



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FWIW, in 1961, the Firefly had a PY of 103 with cotton sails or 100 with Terylene sails.
103/98 for an Enterprise.

By the mid 70s, PY had been changed so an Enterprise was 118.

In the early 60s, there were a small number of  'primary yardsticks' which clubs were not encouraged to change, and lots of secondary yardsticks. Most of the primary yardsticks were very close to 100.

This approach might have avoided the @@@ Island Effect, where a club lowers all its fast fleet numbers and raises all its slow fleet numbers so Mirrors can race against Fireballs once a year, then returns a lot of Fast Fleet races where the numbers are all in Fahrenheit to everyone else's Celsius so to speak.
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