So how much do we think is a fair price...

   For an entry level dinghy?

And not necessarily a washing up bowl?

My bottlescrew thread unwittingly lead me into Albacore territory which quite honestly I did find fairly surprising it was priced as high as it was, given it not being exactly what I'd call a premium product.

Are we, like windsurfing did recently, now suffering from the reduction in volume uptake forcing up the pricing?

Or is it just me being too old and not accepting that 10 - 12 grand is the new norm?

I think it's worth a discussion..

Edited by iGRF - 20 Apr 21 at 12:27pm

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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Topic: So how much do we think is a fair price... Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 12:27pm
	For an entry level dinghy? And not necessarily a washing up bowl? My bottlescrew thread unwittingly lead me into Albacore territory which quite honestly I did find fairly surprising it was priced as high as it was, given it not being exactly what I'd call a premium product. Are we, like windsurfing did recently, now suffering from the reduction in volume uptake forcing up the pricing? Or is it just me being too old and not accepting that 10 - 12 grand is the new norm? I think it's worth a discussion.. Edited by iGRF - 20 Apr 21 at 12:27pm
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H2 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750	Post Options Post Reply Quote H2 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 12:56pm
	Depends on the boat but yes my expectation is that a new boat costs 10k-12k with all the bits such as covers and trailers etc. At this price those that are not mass produced are marginally profitable but those that make them are not making lots of money based on the discussions and observations of lifestyle of those that I know are involved.
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H2 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jul 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 750	Post Options Post Reply Quote H2 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 12:58pm
	I would also point out that lots of things cost way more than they used too and way more than inflation suggests they should. I mean - when I started driving you could get a decent new car for £15k in the 90's which are now well north of 35k or much more!
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davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 1:36pm
	I would suggest that the general decline in activity and more durable products have resulted in a smaller cake, and the profusion of "me too" products has multiplied the number of slices being taken out of the cake ... so there is less jam for the builders I don't see any of them making the sort of fortune that their intelligence, ingenuity or hard work deserve. As someone working in the marine industry it psss me off that there is an expectation by professional types who earn multiple £100's per hour to expect skilled craftsmen to shave their prices for their weekend pleasures for the satisfaction that they have got a better deal.
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	The thing is that regardless of what they cost to build, the value of a race boat is more related to the strength of the class association than the sophistication of the design. No one would pay £12k for an Albacore if it wasn’t an established racing class. And that, of course, is why classes become obsolete - once the racing fleet starts to wain the boat is poor value. It is also why new classes are so hard to establish - without established racing they may have sod all resale value.

maxibuddah Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760	Post Options Post Reply Quote maxibuddah Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 2:40pm
	it is strange that on the whole the everyday things like clothes have not got more expensive. Clothing is driven by the likes of Primani and co who utilise sub-continent and far eastern manufacturers to keep costs surprisingly cheap. Yes their stuff is cheap and won't last but then consumers don't care, cheap is good, you get far more clothes for your £ than you did 10 years ago for example (unless of course you are into designer gear). Maybe this leads to a perception that everything else has gotten horrendously expensive.
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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 9:47am
	I like to think of price trends in terms of weekly wage, recalling back in the day my entry to sailing via a windsurfer cost me £475 at a time I was earning £40 a week having completed an apprenticeship which had me at £25. Now had I wished to be posh and enter dinghy sailing via a Laser it would have cost £675, which is 12 weeks wage versus the best part of 17 weeks for posh sailors (Who obvious earned a lot more) Nowadays google tells me the average wage is around 500 quid weekly so that comparison would allow £6000 for Windsurfing and 8.5k for Sailing, so in real terms both the Windsurfer (I just bought the new Windsurfer LT for well under two grand)and Laser fall well below the line, so maybe I shouldn't be moaning, but then again I don't work for anyone who'd pay me 500 quid a week. Edited by iGRF - 21 Apr 21 at 9:49am
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