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 Topic: Starting Technique and the damned kicker thing..Posted: 13 Oct 20 at 6:38am |
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How can you go rear sheeting, you'll get in a right tangle trying to get the tiller extension through forward.
You can control leech tension with the last few inches of hard sheeting on a centre setup. Ask Sam it's what he would be doing on his Spice. |
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Posted: 13 Oct 20 at 9:17am |
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It is indeed, with a crew rear sheeting would require twin tiller extensions (tried it but only briefly). On the Blaze I use off the boom sheeting with a rear traveller, getting the extension through is no problem as there is no mainsheet going from the boom to floor mounted ratchet in the middle of the cockpit. Sheet loads are lower too so its definitely worth a try, doesn't solve the kicker problem though (but it may remove the need for adjustment upwind).
On both boats I use the last few inches of mainsheet to control twist and keep the boat on it's feet upwind. Much simpler than having to juggle kicker, traveller* and mainsheet all the time. * actually no adjustable traveller in the Blaze and just fixed strops on the Spice.
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Posted: 13 Oct 20 at 10:56am |
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On my H2 (fully battened, big flat top head like your Farr), the kicker is used upwind to de-power but you also need a minimum amount to close the top of the sail off to avoid having to oversheet. Bit like Mozzy, if the start line is going to be hectic I keep it off till I have chosen my spot to enable ability to bear away quickly, also having kicker on will move boat forward or into irons. With a minute to go I pull it onto light wind setting and hike like mad until I am safe and then get it set according to the breeze.
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Posted: 13 Oct 20 at 10:57am |
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Also iGRF - this year I moved to rear sheeting / off boom in my H2 which is 100% the way to go but I suspect will not be possible with your long tiller extension.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 13 Oct 20 at 12:35pm |
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Off the boom works fine with a 1.6m tiller extension on the Blaze, it could be a foot or more longer without issues.
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Posted: 13 Oct 20 at 9:28pm |
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I still maintain a tiller extension just short enough to go through forward. So rear sheeting remains an option, I also quite enjoy the off boom sheeting I have on the Blaze which could work then maybe I could use the old main sheet and press it into service for a centred kicker..
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Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 12:01am |
Likewise on the v3000 ... But 1.6m is a bit short on a trap boat. 1.8m would be better but doesn't fit through the gap even with off the boom sheeting. |
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Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 10:33am |
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I've just measured the old extension off the Spice and it's 1.56m I don't recall finding it too short even though I did replace it with a 2 metre carbon one. The extension on the Blaze is actually 1.5m but, as I said, it could be a foot longer with no problems.
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Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 8:02pm |
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As a rough guide - on a Blaze if the detached extension reaches 'nose height' you will not be too far out. So if you are tall (and you hike of course !) you will find the extension is approx the right length for you .. and vice versa. If buying a fixed length one, and in any doubt, go for a longer one than you think you need and be prepared to shorten it .. lengthening it would be a little more demanding on your skills base ...
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