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    Posted: 28 Feb 20 at 12:28am
Originally posted by polc1410


If your child was a national level 800m runner would you put them on a flight from Newcastle to Southampton several times a year on a Friday afternoon ? Why? And if you did... Would your local running club be rightly disgruntled that their best runners were off at a training camp AGAIN so they weren't taking part in local events..

Running isn't a relevant comparison, that's a sport against the same clock for everyone you dont need to got to a meet to see where you sit in the pecking order. If you can do it in 1min 40 you'll win olympic gold

Sailing is an only beat whats in front of you sport. If you live in Scotland you might win everything but come last at national or european events. I live in Tasmania and our best laser sailor has just come 113th out of 120 at the worlds, wins everything here but is, effectively crap  
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I purposely chose running as a poor comparator because that is what Sports England will do when allocating money. I don't know but I'd assume athletics can get the same money, train more people, use less carbon and show more people at grass roots running through for instance park run.

At *top* level it isn't just against the clock.. how you perform with a crowd, in different lanes etc affects the result. But the variables are far less. The equipment to train is less. The team to train is less (you can go run alone now, I wouldn't let my 13 year old national level sailor go for a sail before school - mixture of how long it would take plus safety aspects.

So. 113/120. The question is WHY? Is that the rest of tassi are even crapper? Or is that a lack of experience of different venues etc? But what would make them better? Genuine Top coaching in tassi OR the same coaching in Sydney?

And which would increase sailor numbers in Tassi?
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I think this change had to happen sooner or later. From the Topper squad point of view, the angle they are going with is they want to avoid kids spending longer in the car than they do on the water, which to a certain extent is true.

The challenge is trying to ensure the same number of kids are in some sort of squad after this change. As this only affects the RYA squads, there is nothing to stop the class association continuing, or even expanding their own National squads.

While it would mean that the number of squad members across RYA and class association squads could still remain the same, it will mean the best kids get regional training, and the less talented kids are the ones who have to travel up and down the country.

Plus the above system only works if you have a pool of equally talented sailors in each region, with both numbers and depth of talent down the fleet. My understanding is that the existing regions will be maintained, ie a Midlands and a North, so no opportunity to combine the non-South Coast sailors into one squad
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the challenge is trying to ensure the same number of kids are in some sort of squad after this change. As this only affects the RYA squads, there is nothing to stop the class association continuing, or even expanding their own National squads.

Or... The kids with the genuine ability get coached locally and so get a chance to improve even if travelling to Weymouth every other week was never an option, meanwhile the class squad - mummy and daddy can buy little Tarquin a place because he wasn't actually good enough for an RYA place.


Plus the above system only works if you have a pool of equally talented sailors in each region, with both numbers and depth of talent down the fleet

At the layer below gold medal Olympians I'd bet there is undiscovered talent fairly evenly spread and what you currently see is the talent that has been discovered because of increased opportunity in the South. There should be no genetic advantage of living near a load of radon gas on the south coast...
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