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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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While you are (IMHO) right on the money with most of that, Nick, it can easily be said that the evidence points the other way to the last paragraph. Promoting extreme craft CAN be a bad thing when the sport is already thought of as being too elitist, scary and expensive. Spectacular sports are often not very popular, nor are sports with visual appeal particularly popular. Motorsport can be seen as an example of what NOT do to. It receives huge funding from the world's biggest industry (the general motor industry) yet in many ways it's a very poor performer as a participant sport. Annual motorsport turnover in the UK is about 9 billion pounds, the motorsport industry had 38,000 jobs, but just 8-9,000 regular competitors and 33,000 license holders. (Sports UK/parliamentary figures) The UK sailing industry is worth about 10% (from what I can find) of a 3 billion p.a. leisure boating and small business marine craft industry, so it's a tiny fraction of the size of the motorsport sector. Yet according to Sport England and RYA figures, about three times as many race sailboats than compete in motorsport. The fact that far more people compete in our sport, despite the much lower financial support and the fact that most people can drive and not sail, indicates that motor racing is not a good model to follow. Similarly, the top-selling sailing mag is 18% as popular as the top-selling car mag which seems to indicate, given the comparative size of the markets and advertisers, that sailing is doing it better than motorsport. The other thing about the appeal of spectacular sailing is that the extreme end of sailing is developing incredibly quickly in many ways and yet participation is declining. In a bit over two decades, the heavily-publicised "extreme" boats (Moths, AC boats, Volvo boats, etc) have come close to tripling their top speed and yet the sport has shrunk. If heavily publicising extreme performance attracted participants, why would participation drop when speeds increased dramatically? Motorsport is aware that the excessive promotion of high speed events is a problem. In a parliamentary committee, the head of the British motorsport association "expressed concern that high-profile events such as the Grand Prix distorted people's perceptions of the sport, and left them with the impression that it was an activity in which only the wealthy could afford to participate". So not only is the elitist/extreme image a bad one for a sport, but one of the most elitist and extreme of sports already knows it. Why should sailing follow? Edited by Chris 249 - 08 Mar 19 at 3:10am |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Chris 349. I don't agree with everything you say re. one design racing but you are spot on with this @ 3.08.
Spectacular sport is no bad thing but I think it has more draw in if performed on fairly ordinary equipment. Comparisons with other sports are not always relevant but take something like snowboarding, I loved watching Jennie Jones doing her big air thing, bought a board off eBay and plonked around home hills when the snow fell last year,
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Comparison with other sports is interesting, but there are big differences. Sailing is a sport where the course is changed by the equipment used. One person can be having an adrenaline fulled blast fest on the same bit of water at the same time as a family is having a picnick, the difference is the boat they chose. For other sports like snow boarding, or cycling the equipment does not define the sport, it is defined by where you go. Without the ramps and kickers Jennie Jones won't get big air no matter what board she is on. Anyone could buy a down hill bike and ride it on their local cycle path, however only a few can ride it on a world cup down hill course. Sure the foilers get over hyped, but so does the extreme in all sports. While they are hyped as the extreme end I don't think it is a huge problem. If someone starts trying to say their new foiler is the ideal beginner boat, then it will have gone too far. |
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Well, yes and no Granite.
Hills and kickers for bikes and boards make the difference. We have waves and weather. Me flat wiring my Contender in a perfect for me into my sixties and 5ft 4in F3 to F4 is as thrilling as Ian Renilson would have been sailing his on the Forth in a F5 to F6. A family picnicking with a Wayfarer is a world away from a racing fleet of the same at sea in big wind. So no, it's not all about the equipment, it's equally about how, where and when you use it. |
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But, promoting foiling or planning or displacement sailing isn't an either / or thing. Something spectacular and something new catches attention. If you can build a narrative beyond that you'll have watch time, pay per view, add revenue and merchandise sales. Here' you see people promoting sailing, but not to make you go sailing, it's to sell a show, it's to sell Rolex watches. This is sustainable professional sport and I see nothing wrong in people trying this around foiling boats. There may be a tiny trickle down to participation. Then, separate, you promotion of the amateur sport, where presumably participation is the aim. In this case, you don't want someone to watch a race for hours. They could see a 15 second clip, or a banner add, and take action to get involved. A 3 minute segment on the one show, countryfile or coast showing a local sailing club and people pottering and exploring in sailing dinghies is going to do far more for participation than SailGP or the AC. Within the sport there's probably an optimism of how far foiling boats can penetrate to local sailing. But, its just a new thing, I din't think it's harming the sport. Basically, when Russel Coutts says foiling is sailing redefined, then it's missing the point to hold him to account for the lack of Wazps sailing at Upper Thames.
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Having started this thread I have enjoyed seeing that many people have a similar view as me about the over hyping of foiling.
I do however find the technology intriguing. Since starting the thread I have watched a few vids about the technical aspects of moths. The surprising thing is that, at least what people say in public, the foiling aspect is rarely mentioned. Canting rigs, aero fairings, endplate effects of sails, bent booms, very high vang ratios, Cunningham blocks hidden in booms, are just a few topics discussed in the videos. So though I think that foiling is not going to have an impact on the average Sunday warrior’s sailing the technology around the foiling boats will do. Though they don’t directly come from foiling: dynemma, soft shackles, low friction eyes, continuous control lines and other recent developments that are transforming our sport don’t come from SMODs. |
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Quite right Tink. Applies to all classes with varying degrees of rules freedom. Half the fun of sailing is in the engineering / bimbling / refining of systems.
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