62.1A Requesting redress

   Having spent most of my sailing life on very tidal waters we go afloat understanding that avoiding running aground to get to a mark is part and parcel of the racing, we have a couple of islands that prevent direct navigation. 
I've sailed dinghies and keelboats (with and without depth sounders) and managed to on a couple of occasions not get to the mark due to lack of water, we inform the race officer that we made all reasonable effort to round the mark but could not due to lack of water, in all cases we have been given our result as is because the time we've taken running aground and recovering is more than we would have spent rounding properly, but the boat choice is ours and we have to accept that as our responsibility.

We do what we can to prevent such issues now by modifying the old courses so that we avoid shallows at extremes of tide, if the wind has slowed the tide coming in we postpone the start until we can all race.

i think somewhere in one of our local club rules it says if you cant make the mark or the mark is missing then you get as close as you can to where it is / should be and make your rounding as if you have actually rounded it.

in your case i would suggest that race officer and mark layers could have done more to prevent many of the issues but equally as local sailors you all know (hopefully) the constraints of your piece of water and if you sign on and and agree to start then that not the RO fault.  If the boats aren't locals then they should have looked at a chart.

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Oli Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oli Report Post Quote Reply Topic: 62.1A Requesting redress Posted: 13 May 17 at 12:38pm
	Having spent most of my sailing life on very tidal waters we go afloat understanding that avoiding running aground to get to a mark is part and parcel of the racing, we have a couple of islands that prevent direct navigation. I've sailed dinghies and keelboats (with and without depth sounders) and managed to on a couple of occasions not get to the mark due to lack of water, we inform the race officer that we made all reasonable effort to round the mark but could not due to lack of water, in all cases we have been given our result as is because the time we've taken running aground and recovering is more than we would have spent rounding properly, but the boat choice is ours and we have to accept that as our responsibility. We do what we can to prevent such issues now by modifying the old courses so that we avoid shallows at extremes of tide, if the wind has slowed the tide coming in we postpone the start until we can all race. i think somewhere in one of our local club rules it says if you cant make the mark or the mark is missing then you get as close as you can to where it is / should be and make your rounding as if you have actually rounded it. in your case i would suggest that race officer and mark layers could have done more to prevent many of the issues but equally as local sailors you all know (hopefully) the constraints of your piece of water and if you sign on and and agree to start then that not the RO fault. If the boats aren't locals then they should have looked at a chart.
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catmandoo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 545	Post Options Post Reply Quote catmandoo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 17 at 12:54pm
	if the whole of the line as suggested was unnavigable for some boats in racing trim and others were fine I would say a definate case for redress , there is no option to avoid the start line which has to be crossed , if a boat has to sail in less than optimum mode relative to others because of the action of the race committee it should be upheld . The case quoted is irrelevant as it describes a "foul" area within a course that could be avoided . If all boats in fleet affected , no redress , but pretty sh1t startline , but guess in some places no choice . Edited by catmandoo - 17 May 17 at 12:56pm