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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Just what is the latest on the Icon?
Although not my favoured type of two person, three sail, one wire boat, I really thought the Icon had the legs to make it and was willing to open my mind to the concept.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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I will not sail in drifters, totally boring, sailing for the sake of sailing, I work on club facilities or boats, same with howlers, I will crew in a howler though, some of our members only turn up when it's bonkers.
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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200's and 400's are very different animals. The 400 is maybe not ideal for 'most sailing clubs in the UK', but those of us who sail on decent water are happy to let the puddle boys carry on sailing 'boats which don't even burn quickly'. A 400 with a conventional kite would have got nowhere. It would just be another 'me too' design knocked out to try and undercut the price of a Merlin. The assy kite makes racing 400's against other 400 great downwind IME. I love being able to go a good way off the direct line looking for better breeze, tide or shifts. It may not be fast in absolute terms but what other boat is going to hit 20knots with my wife crewing? On PY against disparate boats, it's a mixed bag, varies with the course, wind speed etc. Such is PY with disparate boats. It's the same nonsense as racing Contenders agaisnt Merlins, or Ents against 505s. The 400 is not perfect, I've said I'm surprised and disappointed there's nothing better for me after 20 years of alleged progress. (Maybe it and I have got old together?). But it let me race against some good people. Nick Craig, Paul Hillier, David Hivey, The 200 and the Vareo seem to hoover from side to side, to no great effect, downwind, but people seem to come ashore having enjoyed it, so provided nobody expects me to care about racing them on PY, it's all good. Luckily they are in the 'people who have missed the point and still sail boats with 4 digit PYs' fleet. :-) |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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The latest is that two people, two sails, no wires, is alive and well and racing N12's, Enterprises and Tasars. Also Applecores, Fireflies and others no doubt. I followed the Icon development as I was interested in how rigs and hulls had moved on, but only saw one once in the flesh and it didn't excite. The rig, upwind, and hull should have told us a lot about what an RS400 successor might be like. But on that front I'd take more direction from the Merlin. |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Thanks. I suppose that sums it up about new boats taking off. If people like the type they have and have friends and emotional capital in a particular class it would take something really special to make you bin your current ride.
I guess the Aero / DZero have got off the ground due to enough disaffected actual or theoretical Laser sailors jumping ship. I took just a little more than a passing interest in the Icon because I was vaguely considering changing boat type. Having decided to stay with type I can see no compelling reasons to switch classes.
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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A gap exists between the 'proper' asymmetrics, where
apparent wind sailing really starts to work and the other group where although
they sport the rig they cannot really be regarded as 'true' asymmetrics.
(If you like typified by boats with minimum 400 pace ... or by 200 speed
type boats). In this range, imo at least, asymmetrics are more than given
a run for their money by several good symmetrical spinnaker boats (Scorpion/Merlin
etc) or even by the odd 2-sail boat in the UK (well I would still say that
...!).
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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The Icon, only had two sails and was a hiker. I think you mean the Alto? |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Nope, I just need to improve my grammar.
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