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    Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 10:03am
It feels like I'm stretching the point a bit which I don't mean to.

Personally I'm always going to be a heavyweight, even if I slimmed down even more, so I know my place is in a Phantom or a Finn and I'm perfectly happy with that.

My observations simply came from watching the Aeros in our club, where rig swapping to a bigger sail in light winds, seemed to be quite normal. If I was to get into an Aero, I would be using the 9 rig in pretty much all conditions, so those people rig swapping would obviously have a distinct advantage and that hypothetical situation is what I was commenting on, prompted by Jeffers comment.

I don't know if this is deliberate, but now we are starting go get a fleet together the rig swapping is not happening as much. I see this as good thing, as it avoids the point above and the arms race that means everyone needs multiple rigs to be competitive.
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RB, the above would suggest that the Aero is a little small for you in general, not just if rig swapping is going on.

Not sure why I'm defending rig swapping so much. Ideally, I'd like to see them as 3 separate classes, racing together, or with 3 starts, depending on numbers, people choosing which group they want to be in for the season of racing. If the wind drops or increases, then by all means swap rigs and join another group for the weekend, rather than sit on the shore, but accept you results won't count to the series in the group you normally sail with. This is a consequence of your choice, freely made.

Otherwise, the CA really needs to push the rig swapping aspect of the class, as it would be a USP. One boat, one handicap. Personally, from what I've seen of the 3 rigs racing together, I think it would kill the 5 stone dead apart from as a storm rig. A light person changing down to a 5 earlier than a middleweight will likely get beaten soundly. 7 and 9 appear to be better matched, as the 9 appears to fall over easily. This is based on the half dozen or so we have at Whitefriars so not objective!
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I'm sure it's not as simple as rig size, as I mentioned earlier hull volume and rocker must be at least as big a factor as the size of the sail when it comes to weight carrying e.g. a Phantom rig is never going to turn a Streaker into a heavyweight's boat. 

FWIW the Aero has three PY numbers on the current list and I'm sure most if not all clubs will treat them as three classes. If they want to sail class event as one class that's up to the CA to decide.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

If they want to sail class event as one class that's up to the CA to decide.

you'd like to think so, I rather like the idea of owners groups over formal 'class associations', but as in International Class sucking from the teat of establishment sailing, doesn't World Sailing (ISAF) actually have the jurisdiction here?
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I don't know what control the IYRU/ISAF/WS (or whatever it's called this week Wink ) has over the individual classes. Certainly the national CA used to be able make it's own rules for domestic events (I recall the Enterprise being raced with a spinnaker, in Australia IIRC, while that was not allowed at international events or in the UK) Not sure if that is still the case. BTW I'm surprised the Aero has achieved international status so quickly, I seem to remember it used to take good a few years before a class was considered established enough to warrant such an honour.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

BTW I'm surprised the Aero has achieved international status so quickly, I seem to remember it used to take good a few years before a class was considered established enough to warrant such an honour.

i dunno how the RS Aero Class applied.... I'd imagine it's a consolidation of all three rigs under one class, but it got it a year ago regardless.  

 It's a hell of an achievement considering the sector of the market it's pitched at:
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