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    Posted: 25 May 15 at 6:18pm
Two fleets, one of 40 boats and one of 30 boats meet at a mark, one fleet is fetching toward the mark on starboard, and is to leave the mark to starboard before luffing up to a beat.  The other fleet is running to the mark on port, to leave it to port, before hardening up to a beat.

Neither fleet in beating to windward at the time of establishing an overlap (18.1a), Neither boat needs to tack at the mark (18.1b), The mark is not a continuing obstruction (18.1d).  

Some of the port running boats enter the zone at the end of their run, before the boats on the starboard fetch enter the zone, and therefore have established "mark-room" first.

Are they entitled to room to pass the mark and round up on port to commence the next leg of the course, or are the starboard tackers entitled to prevent them sailing their proper course to the next mark?

I concede that things are a bit fuzzy as to whether one boat is approaching the mark, and one is leaving (18.1c), since in the normal context they would both be leaving the mark to port or to starboard.

I say to port or to starboard, since the introduction to Rule 18 refers to leaving a mark on the same side, and in this case, although the mark is to port or to starboard, depending which way you were rounding, both fleets were passing on the same "northern" side of the mark albiet in different directions!

In reality everyone muddled through using pragmatism and there was no damage, but I would be intrigued to see what the forum's rules experts make of who is give way boat.
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My guess is that as one fleet was required to leave the mark to port and the other one leave it to starboard RRS18 did not apply between boats in different fleets.
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Yup. 18.1.  18 doesn't apply, as the fleets aren't leaving he mark on the same side.. Ceteris Paribus, RoW from RRS10 ( Port/Starboard) with constraints on the starboard boats' ability to luff round the mark from 16.1.

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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Yup. 18.1.  18 doesn't apply, as the fleets aren't leaving he mark on the same side.. Ceteris Paribus, RoW from RRS10 ( Port/Starboard) with constraints on the starboard boats' ability to luff round the mark from 16.1.


I carefully worded my question in that the boats were leaving the mark on the same side, the northern side, but in diferent directions ... surely the rule should say "leave the mark to the same side of the boat" or "in the same direction" if this is the intention of the rule?
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Sounds like the clubs in question need better communication. This has happened to me, and I'd simply say that the rules weren't designed for such nonsense.
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See ISAF Case 26
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 15 at 8:41pm
Same club, same course, RO's good intentions ruined by a general recall that probably led to the unexpected outcome ... Murphy's law applies!
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So, take the mark away and deal with it as port and starboard, and expect people to actually avoid each other.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 15 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by GML

See ISAF Case 26

Yep, I can accept this (excepting that there was no collision)
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