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    Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 7:28am
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I'm not sure what the issue is; YOz discourages local classes here too, but the Sharpies, Sabres, Tasars, 16s, Cherubs etc are still strong.

It is interesting (as a complete outsider) to look at what has happened in the Kiwi sailing media. Sea Spray, which did so much to launch boats like the Cherub, was a "superboat" mag for big powerboats last time I saw a copy. I recently got a copy of the NZ yachting history "Southern Breezes", though, and I noticed that Robyn Elliott's section, up to 1960, concentrates heavily on home-built dinghies as well as keelboats. The section on more modern history doesn't have a single pic of a dinghy (bar two of Olympic classes) and it only has a half a dozen paragraphs on local dinghies.

In a couple of those pars, the book mentions the collapse in local dinghies and puts the blame on outside economic factors and the lure of pro campaigns - but maybe the very fact that the book basically ignores small boats is an example of the real reason for the collapse.  When the sailing media and industry turn their backs on small boats, it's no wonder they can fall away. Luckily in Oz we seem to have a structure and population size that means that classes can maintain critical mass.

Funny thing is that the pro scene that is said to have lured Kiwis out of small boats mostly depends on marketing - but those who commentate on the pro scene say that marketing has had no part to play in the collapse of small boats.  Surely if marketing is important enough to make it worthwhile for companies to pay sponsorship fees, then lack of marketing must be important enough to be a cause for the fall off in dinghies? 
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There is an interesting dynamic at work there (looking at the Kiwi scene). I've another example for you! Despite being one of the real powerhouses in the development of the Contender, they have not hosted the Worlds since...1979 - when Australia have had events every 4 or 5 years. Equally, there was a time when the front of the fleet was rich in Kiwi talent - Peter Newlands, Tony Smith, Lindsay Cunningham and others were the people to beat. AFAIKN, the only active Kiwi in the fleet is based in Brisbane; at a time when the Aussies are making a stunning set of new moulds, there is a deafening silence from across the water.
But - the OP was about the RYA so let's get back on topic! After Weymouth, I was with some NZ media types who had the Sunday to kill before a night flight out from H'Row. So, I took them to Hamble and for want of something to do, showed them the palatial edifice that is the RYA 'complex' (but only the Offices - all the hardware is in other equally imposing units). Maybe if this was the Sailing Anarchy site I could repeat what they said......take it from here that they were dumfounded. Of course you can do plenty if you have the money to throw at the sport - the difficulty here in the UK is that the targets for the RYA (in dinghy terms) are ever more focused on Youth and the Olympics. If you put key staff on performance related pay, with the success criteria focused on those two key areas, of course you can look good.
The latest iteration of the RYA 4 year plan has, as a 'core deliverable', to make the UK the 'Number 1 sailing nation'. Great BUT.... if the metrics for that merely translate into success at Youth and Olympic level, then the grassroots will continue to suffer.

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Really interesting to hear what other National Bodies are doing.

Is Lindsay Cunningham from NZ? I thought he was an Aussie?
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Originally posted by Dougaldog

the palatial edifice that is the RYA 'complex'

Funny the different way people see things. I see a typical cheap soulless modern unit, somewhat crowded, in a budget location. Goodness knows what it would cost to be in London, or even Woking on sea, where the site they used to have is suffiently valuable to have been redeveloped twice since they left.
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Originally posted by JimC

AIUI There was a big policy change in NZ some years back to discourage their local classes in favour of international ones. I wonder if there's a correlation.


Law of unintended consequences?
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Originally posted by Noah

Originally posted by JimC

AIUI There was a big policy change in NZ some years back to discourage their local classes in favour of international ones. I wonder if there's a correlation.


Law of unintended consequences?


Or just a failure to understand human nature?
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Originally posted by Chris 249

From the outside, I wish we here in Oz had the "problem" with the RYA.  They seem to run many things a lot better than our YA has been for many years.
 
There was a comment on another thread that dinghy sailing was probably at its most popular in the UK and NZ, but from what I can see from a lot of digging on the web, dinghy sailing in NZ has crashed in popularity.  It now seems to be much less popular than in Oz, even when allowing for the population difference.  In fact NZ sailing in general (apart perhaps from 28-55 footers in Auckland) seems to be in a pretty sad position, despite the vast sums that have been poured into the America's Cup team and the success of NZ pros and (particularly in earlier eras) NZ Olympians. 
 
When 30 boats is a good nationals fleet and classes that were once hundreds strong now get 9 to 6 boats for nationals, it seems as if the Kiwi YA isn't doing very well at running dinghy sailing.
 
The RYA, whatever its faults, may be doing better than just about any other national body in the sport.
 
  

And have a look at the levels of regualation in France!  They've kept that nonsence from us!
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