PY Inland vs Sea

   For handicap racing fleets a little variation in the format now and again is no bad thing - no doubt lots of sailors can be put off knowing that so and so in their XXXX will win again etc. Slip in a persuit race or personal handicap race now and then and they might be keener ?

For those who get worked up about any fiddling from the norm - they should stick to class racing.

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rich96 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596	Post Options Post Reply Quote rich96 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: PY Inland vs Sea Posted: 30 Oct 14 at 6:48pm
	For handicap racing fleets a little variation in the format now and again is no bad thing - no doubt lots of sailors can be put off knowing that so and so in their XXXX will win again etc. Slip in a persuit race or personal handicap race now and then and they might be keener ? For those who get worked up about any fiddling from the norm - they should stick to class racing.

Oinks Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 24 Oct 14 Location: Bandol Online Status: Offline Posts: 267	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oinks Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 14 at 7:41pm
	Mike Yes, I think we can agree that we want the same outcome. But I don't agree that personal handicapping encourages people to take part per se. A quick look at the results...the highest number of starters for the Weds eve pursuit this year was 59 (as last year). The max number of starters for during the Summer Series (Sundays) was 56 - at a time of year when many are away at other events. The highest number of starters on a Weds was 82 in 2009. In the 5 years since an average of the highest number of starters was 63. In the 5 years before that it was 70.So, no, personal handicapping isn't attracting more people. And on the rare occasions that personal handicapping has been employed during Sunday racing, its proved a big turn off. And whilst those less serious sailors may not give a hoot as to the club's racing reputation, I suspect those that do race seriously probably do. And the reason why Wednesday's are popular I suggest is more because you can chill out after work, have a leisurely sail, have a nice dinner afterwards and enjoy a good atmosphere is the clubhouse. Not because you've just enjoyed a personal handicap race.Many of those people will have had their fix of sailing for the week and then use precious time to do other things at the weekend. I do believe that the club should offer variety in its activities but I disagree with your perception that because lots of people take part on a Wednesday evening, that it is because of the personal handicapping and therefore worth doing more frequently.

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 14 at 8:43pm
	We have a once a month series which is dual scored personal handicap and standard handicap. The average turnout is a tad higher than for other series, but not spectacularly so.

blaze720 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote blaze720 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 10:35am
	Blimey - So I was at least partly wrong on BSC wednesday evening numbers ... well it can happen to all of us I guess . (I must be thinking back a bit further !) So BSCs numbers are now declining on Wednesdays as well. Still it really is a pity that nothing seems to being done to attract more from Wednesday evenings to Sundays. Looks like any initiative by the club would therefore be a complete waste of time, nothing at all can be done or could ever work ... and we are all inevitably doomed. Looks like a cruising lead-mine then .. when I start fall off my perch more often ! Mike L.

Oinks Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 24 Oct 14 Location: Bandol Online Status: Offline Posts: 267	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oinks Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 11:12am
	Well, it was principally the PH thing that I didn't agree with. Agree with most else. But by no means the end of he world as we know it! I don't know if other clubs experience what we have at BSC in that we have many, many perfectly serviceable boats in the boatpark that only see the light of day when the covers are blown off. It might be the case that we already have tried to do something in this respect, I don't know, but finding out why these people have ceased to participate (but still cough up their fees each year) might yield some ideas for getting people who already have the resources there back into some degree/form of participation. And given the right format and excuse to go racing - well, 125-odd boats for Barts Bash suggests there is something that could be built on.

davidyacht Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidyacht Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 14 at 11:35am
	Enthusiasm and encouragement from the regular sailors particularly toward the back of the fleet sailors, on the water advice, sharing a drink in the bar will have a far greater effect on numbers than any particular PY system. Any newbie looking at these threads would wonder what the profanity it is all about. Whilst I accept that a newbie might buy into one of the new oem classes which might often doom them to handicap racing, maybe they would be better sailing in a one design fleet where they can more clearly identify their progress. That is not to say that there are not any good oem one design fleets, just that oem manufacturers have to rely on a positive approach to handicap racing in order to get their product into the market. Also, there is a tendency for everyone in a one design fleet to work together to make the fleet stronger, which in some clubs at least, try to bring the back of the fleet to the front.