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TwoCrew ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 09 Aug 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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At our island-strewn pond the N12s quite often come out to play single-handed when it's light. They're given a 20 point penalty (1048 vs 1068). The Icon occasionally does the same (950 vs 990, I think). One of the 200s is also solo-ed, though that's less frequent and I don't think anyone's ever bothered to lop anything off the 1051.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Burghfield allows 2-handers to be sailed one up .... It was originally permitted for those whose crew were absent for any sortof genuine reason - it happens. However this concession to keep more people on the water has been rather stretched in the last couple of years in that some now regularly choose not to carry crew if the wind it light.... but quickly get them back when the wind picks up !
Very naturally the rest of the fast handicap fleet rather enjoy those days when the wind increases during a race .... but the wrong call to dismiss the crew has already been made. Well of course you would as well, we are not the only ones .... so don't deny it. ![]() Also from memory I thought ALL such boats should have a 40 point adjustment local PN. Mike L. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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That's the main reason why we decided not to allow people's results to count when single-handed at WSC. We didn't want the culture where some members would be left on the shore without a sail just because the helm/owner was hungry for a result - it's too much like rewarding the unscrupulous. We'd had a similar debate in the 3k class. Sailing single-handed in my old L3k I could reckon on keeping up with the local RS400 when single-handed, but regarded that as a rare 'result' when crewed. At 10 stone, of course, I got overpowered in F4 and above, but a 14 stone guy on the wire would have as much righting moment as a typical 3k, with much less weight in the boat. I guess that shows that trapeze boats are particularly advantaged sailing single-handed as they only lose the helm's righting moment, in effect.
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Jeremyc ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 110 |
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I am one of those pesky 12s which single hands when the wind is light, and first and foremost we have separate results for single handing, they are not merged with normal two up which often means we no longer qualify in series. My partner and l both love sailing 12s and when it is light enjoy sailing against each other as much as against anyone else. As mike said, we have a standard rule which should knock pys by a somewhat course number of 40 to any boat that single hands when it is a double hander. In fact the result of this is that the faster the boat you single hand the less the percentage penalty you get. Personally l think the it should be a proportional py reduction based on the double handed py.
Why do l sail it singke handed? Because l love the boat and the challenge of sailing it in all formats and my crew also loves helming but has a wrist injury which means she can't cope with helming in heavier winds. Edited by Jeremyc - 02 Oct 14 at 10:27pm |
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N12- pure joy
D-Zero more pure joy |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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As I think I said not long ago with respect to sail area, you can make a very good case that if someone singlehands when it suits singlehanding, and doublehands when it suits double handing, then *both* configurations should have a lowered handicap compared to a boat that doublehands all the time.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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My own view is that while double-handers in single mode should be tolerated at clubs so that numbers are maintained and more people get to sail when otherwise they would stay away. BUT they should always be excluded from any series prizes/results as they are not being used as the designer intended or the class itself promotes and is based upon .....
As Jim points out the long term effect will also be to distort the core PN of the class(es) doing it as they are only double-handed when the conditons preferentially suit double-handing. Mike L. |
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scotsfinn ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 17 May 12 Location: Glasgow Online Status: Offline Posts: 284 |
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Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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There are many classes where the class rules state the number of people on board for racing. Of course, just like the Laser with a Rooster sail, it is easy enough to say it is simply a different class if anyone cares, which has an TN based on the 2 handed class's PN. Effectively, if you have a club that allows multiple boats to count for a series, then you'll be OK counting singlehanded in the series, if you have a one boat per series rule, then you won't.
Does anyone really leave a crew who is dying to go sailing on the shore? Sounds like a great way to lose a crew. From what I've seen, once the wind is approaching zero, it is more likely the crew will abandon ship if they can get away with it. |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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At one time our club was mainly a GP club. We still have a few racing but like most clubs single handers rule. One of our GP helms is now into his late seventies and over the years he has employed many crews, preferably children. The 'former boy' and my daughter both sailed with him as did many other youngsters, they still do if he can find them. Even now that he is getting on a bit he can still sail a GP single handed on a lake. Crew is just an encumbrance until after a year or so they are capable of flying a kite so why not just employ a token child?
Another helm is in the same position. His crew is his eleven year old daughter who is growing....fast! I see him eyeing his six year old son for next year. The same situation exists for a third helm who has been successful nationally in the past when crewed by his son. These days he usually employs one of two 'loose women' but has admitted to me that they are more of an encumbrance than an advantage. The point I am making is that crew are forced on these gentlemen in most cases to keep the boats legal. These are however specific circumstances and are very much not the case in the highly competitive world of the GP circuit.
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