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    Posted: 01 Nov 05 at 2:55pm
An appeal to the RYA to clarify the position would certainly be interesting though we'll have to wait until December and the end of the series to see whether our placing is lowered - I'm hoping that the end result will be better but it still leaves a potential anomaly in the current rules.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

James, I wasn't trying to argue that you weren't disadvantaged.


You might or might not remember that a couple of years ago I successfully protested the HWS committee. They asked me what redress I wanted and fortunately I had already thought about and had an argument to make, which they accepted. The point I was trying to make is that, while of course it is the judge's decision what redress you get, you are more likely to walk away happy if you have thought in advance about specifically want you want; preferably something that isn't going to upset the rest of the competitors. I've witnessed some other similar protests against the race committee and judges seem very reluctant to throw races out even if the race officer has got it wrong somehow. They are looking for a solution that allows the race to remain valid and leave everyone at least moderately happy that justice was done.


My experience has also been that, A10 quoted above nothwithstanding, judges can be quite flexible in the redress they give.


By the way I had a strong incentive to win that protest, since my crew had told me that if I didn't, I was going for a swim next weekend.


Good luck in the rest of the series.


 



Stefan - just a small point but you don't protest the race committee you request redress (although you may use the protest form to do it)
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As far as I know you cannot wait until the end of the series to see if your final result is affected by the protest committees decsion. i'll have to check if there is anything in the case book, but I know the example came up at a Race Management seminar once. At present your place has been made significantly worse by the protest committee's decision. You can appeal, or make a new request for redress - as long as time limits have not expired!

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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

what flags/markers went up.  Sound signals are only to bring your attention.  IMO If the correct flags went up (for boat(s) over) the CTTe are in the clear.

For future reference, the absence of sound signals etc only applies to the start sequence (rule 26). Once the staring signal has been given, rule 26 has finished.

Rule 29 is very clear in that there must be flags AND sound signals. I cannot remember the Case number which covers this aspect but redress should certainly be given if the race committee give the wrong signals or none at all.

Won't attempt to say what redress should be given, only to point out that A10 is 'guidance' and refers to 'advised to consider'. In my book, that means that there  is an unwritten A10(c) - Common Sense!

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