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    Posted: 12 Jun 14 at 4:26pm

Thank you for your kind offer Transient but you'll be needing those for the Fed on sunday.

I think Jaydub is right about oldish sails, we have a new jib which we get out just for show then put the old one up. It seemed a bit quicker at first but I think we were just having a rare good day. I definitely havent found any 200 groove yet, still feels like driving an oil drum to me, KBO as Churchill once said, not the dog the other one.

MerlinMag, not eyes, camera, I refer you to my previous on P1:
"On a recent traing session video it was clear that our mast was too straight and luff too full compared with another 200"
Craigo, mostly middle which is why the spreaders are back at 160. Cunningham is maxed.


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No problem. No Fed, Dunsailing.
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Piglet,  Some more questions:
 
Do you have a copy of the video?  It would be useful to see it.
 
How do you know it's your mast that is too straight and not the other boat's being too bent (particularly if it was your friend with the kicker take off point much further back than standard)?
 
Was this your observation or did it come from a coach?  If from a coach, how familiar are they with 200s?   I'm just wanting to understand whether someone has just identified a relative difference between your boat and another boat or whether they are talking from a position of knowledge.
 
Just to be clear:
 
1) I think you are best just setting your boat up to standard settings, as they have been proven over time.
 
2) I don't think older sails are quicker than newer ones.  They aren't.  The point I was trying to make is that you can still be very competitive with old sails when it's honking, because it's more about how you sail the boat than the quality or otherwise of your sails.
 
 
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All the settings will be out the window with the new design of 200 sails! Smile
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Depends on what they end up going for!  Wink
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The other thin to bear in mind is that your mainsail may be a very different cut.

One of my mainsails on my 700 was so different to the others that I had to wind the spreaders right back and fully extend them in order to take out the depth in the middle, where my normal setting were in the middle of the range. If you have two mainsails, lay them out over each other and check the shape.
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Originally posted by jaydub

Depends on what they end up going for!  Wink


Something like the 400 by the sounds of it
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OK I lied about the spreader length, current setting is 375, not 395 as earlier stated. What are the implications? (memory loss)

In the name of science I played with the kicker position and made some progress.
At 600mm from back of mast the kicker just looks wrong and when applied puts awful lower mast bend from the gooseneck, way too far.
So we sailed with it set to 550 from back of mast and the crew had no complaints (about the kicker), could be a useful incentive to keep weight back in gybes!
It wasn't a tuning day, we were the only 200 and it was lively short course racing, but the kicker definitely felt more grunty.
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