New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: serious damage
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

serious damage
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 567
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
gordon View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 07 Sep 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1037 		Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: serious damage
    Posted: 20 Mar 14 at 11:07pm
I think what gets me worked up is qualified judges agreeing with them.

I am not sure that it is appropriate for judges to be influenced by the culture and values of the club. That is like saying the offside rule is different at Manchester United because they have different values there! Going down that route can be dangerous, because you end up with people playing a different game using the same rules (see Southern Hemisphere interpretation of the rules at the breakdown in rugby).

Case 19 only really tells us that there is no special definition of damage in the rules, and gives some EXAMPLES of questions that may be asked to ascertain if there is damage. The cost of making good any damage would be another possible question.

The RYA have suggested another approach, which can also prove useful - would a prudent owner repair the damage promptly.

The definition of damage is so vague, and interpretation of that definition so inconsistent that the Match Racing Community wrote their own. I have found this guidance useful.
Gordon
Back to Top
Brass View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 24 Mar 08
Location: Australia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1151 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 14 at 11:32pm
I agree that the MR guidelines are pretty handy, although, note in the examples I provided in an earlier post, there is no unanimous agreement about what or how the levels should be expressed.

The MR guidelines are also limited as follows:
  • they are valid for boats usually used for match-racing, size say from 6m to 15m, hardy construction, not pristine, high finish beauties;
  • they provide an extra additional penalty over and above those normally applicable;
  • they are designed primarily to protect the OA's boats, not really to provide a carefully calculated 'proportionate' additional penalty;
  • they are a bit like a call, a bit arbitrary, put there to assist the Umpires rule 14 panel to make a quick decision on the water and avoid a lengthy philosophical protest hearing.


Edited by Brass - 20 Mar 14 at 11:35pm
Back to Top
Presuming Ed View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 26 Feb 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 641 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Presuming Ed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 14 at 12:52am
Originally posted by gordon

That is like saying the offside rule is different at Manchester United because they have different values there!

Isn't it?
Back to Top
Brass View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 24 Mar 08
Location: Australia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1151 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 14 at 1:14am
Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Originally posted by gordon

That is like saying the offside rule is different at Manchester United because they have different values there!

Isn't it?
Just like sailing.

The rule isn't different.

The way it's applied in the Premier League is a bit different from a Saturday afternoon mud heap.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 567

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy