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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Quite a lot of conversation on this forum relates to single handers.
Now I can see why they can be popular with experienced sailors but are they a great way to get novices going in the sport. I learnt all my good & bad habits by sailing with experienced sailors in double handers. This time overcame a lot of the fears felt by novices and introduced me to the "black art" of dinghy racing without even really being aware of it. Now I know from my own Club the excellent work done by our RYA qualified instructors and coaches, this system does seem to work well for youngsters progressing into racing but perhaps not so much for adults coming to the sport. We have benefited from a programme of some additional RYA on water race coaching for adults however this by its nature is very focussed and not available week on week. Do other readers of this forum see adults doing courses, get a boat and then never really get going?
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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No doubt my big learning steps came from crewing with good guys. Even if it wasn't a particular fact I picked up, it was their attitude/approach to the subject.
Plus there are many people who, given the chance, actually prefer the crew's role. That is denied them and even belittled by an all-helming singlehander-only learning scenario. Unfortunately, however, looking around the club, most people seem to be paired up permanently, or prefer not to race rather than take out a novice - a great pity in many ways, but maybe a function of the technical boats we tend to sail nowadays.
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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When i was working as an Instriutor, the tendancy seemed to be to teach kids in single handers (Picos, mainly) and adults in "double" handers (Wayfarers, typically three adults and an instructor).
If tyhe suggestion is that adult learners, fresh off their level 2, should be crewing, then yes, that sounds like a good idea, but it needs two things:
a club culture where people buy double handers in the hope/expectation that there will be crews, often inexperienced, almost always available
a steady supply of these crews
If people are buying a boat and don't have a guarenteed crew (often husband/wife/other life partner) then it does tend to be sensible to buy a single hander, as it guarentees you're not left frustrated on the shore...
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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We run almost all Adult Level 1 courses in double handers because most, though certainly not all, adults are hesitant learners and need to have someone in the boat with them as they learn to tack and gybe. Level 2, however, is run in single handers as I feel it's really importnat that they get as much 'tiller time' as possible. Level 2 is a pretty short course yet after it the studetns are theoretically able to go off and hire a dinghy. I like to see them capable of sailing on their own before they get their ticket.
At the end of our courses we actively discourage studetns from going out to buy a boat. Instead we encourage them to carry on sailing using club boats or borrowing from other members until they are absolutely sure that a) they enjoy sailing and b) they know what they want. In terms of keeping them sailing I think clubs need to provide more informal tuition. We run 'turn up and train' sessions where members can come along (no booking required) and go afloat under the watchful eye of an instructor with a course laid for themt o follow if they choose. There is help with rigging from assistant instructors and ample opportunity to ask questions one to one. We are just about to start our autumn allcomers race training which is typically made up of all the people who have done level 2/stage 3 over the year and already take up is good. Those people then go on to swell racing numbers next year. What I have learned as Principal is that it is really importnat to plan progression inot your training calendar, so there is always something else for members to move on to. |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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All good stuff Winging it, especially the informal tuition. We are trying and will look at our 2014 programme following this years adult on water coaching.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I think the ubiquitous Laser has introduced more adults than most over the years in our club, there are two types of sailor, the old guard who came through the parent child squad system they're obviously front of the fleet, then the tail enders who are the 'oh think I'll buy a laser and try that sailing lark out' and the rest are a mix of bits of each, either tried it when young but not squad dies and have returned for the fun element as adults, then there is the windsurfing element who obviously learned their sail craft racing boards, so it's a right old mix, we very very rarely get straight up and down beginners, mainly because of the savagery of our launch, which is not just the beach break it's the sheer nightmare of humping boats up and down a steep beach. To that end, a single hander is far easier than a twin.
We get a few casual adults show up in Cats now and again, but they don't race, it's one thing teaching folk to sail, racing is another step up and a league into which not many folk want to go without being forced and in that regard a twin hander has to be the best bet if it's an absolute beginner from scratch, like Trev my crew and he suffers mentally at times from the torture of my competitive streak. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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we sell our race training as basically just 'what have have been doing so far, but with a element' so people come along because they want the extra training, the end up finding it's not so bad and they're ready to give racing a go. An importnat part of this is realising that everyone around them is just as nervous as they are, so they won't be on their own out there.
We don't have enough double handers racing to make learning by crewing a viable proposition, which is a shame. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Owning both, I sail my single handed boat more often - simple reasoning being that it's easier to organise (or not) a sail at short notice in the single hander, given I just need to get myself and gear to the club, rather than a crew too.
Massively prefer to race the two hander but equally happy sailing either.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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A big reason why I like N12's, Enterprises and am quite attracted to the Icon (just budget limited). It's difficult to have a 'satisfying' race in a two hander with kite unless you've done some practice first (particularly with a symetric kit per other thread), whereas your jib, dangly-pole or not, is a much more user friendly sail for the <relatively> novice crew to handle.
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iitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 13 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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The demise of single handers is a problem for practice and experience at our club. This year we have done well with new adult members who trained in Topper/Laser with a bit of Wayfarer thrown in. All adults this year and four of them look promising (i.e. after one season they are keeping up with me). Two have bought boats, one fatty a Laser and one slim young man a Byte C2.......sensible chap!
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