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    Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 10:22pm
>>To get relative postions with any great accuracy, you have to make sure the receivers are prioritising
>>the same satellites. That is how Differential GPs gets much better accuracy.
Not quite correct. If I may explain...
 
Differential GPS involves the cooperation of two receivers, one that's stationary and another that's roving around making position measurements. The stationary receiver is the key. It ties all the satellite measurements into a solid local reference.
Remember that GPS receivers use timing signals from at least four satellites to establish a position. Each of those timing signals is going to have some error or delay depending on what sort of perils have befallen it on its trip down to us. Since each of the timing signals that go into a position calculation has some error, that calculation is going to be a compounding of those errors.

Luckily the sheer scale of the GPS system comes to our rescue. The satellites are so far out in space that the little distances we travel here on earth are insignificant. So if two receivers are fairly close to each other, say within a few hundred kilometers, the signals that reach both of them will have traveled through virtually the same slice of atmosphere, and so will have virtually the same errors.

Differential GPS can eliminate all errors that are common to both the reference receiver and the roving receiver. These include everything except multipath errors (because they occur right around the receiver such as masts and sails etc) and any receiver errors (because they're unique to the receiver).
That's the idea behind differential GPS: We have one receiver measure the timing errors and then provide correction information to the other receivers that are roving around. That way virtually all errors can be eliminated from the system, even the pesky Selective Availability error that the DoD can put on if they so wish...
Hope that helps...


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Originally posted by RTFM

>>To get relative postions with any great accuracy, you have to make sure the receivers are prioritising
>>the same satellites. That is how Differential GPs gets much better accuracy.
Not quite correct. If I may explain...
 
Differential GPS involves the cooperation of two receivers, one that's stationary and another that's roving around making position measurements. The stationary receiver is the key. It ties all the satellite measurements into a solid local reference.
Remember that GPS receivers use timing signals from at least four satellites to establish a position. Each of those timing signals is going to have some error or delay depending on what sort of perils have befallen it on its trip down to us. Since each of the timing signals that go into a position calculation has some error, that calculation is going to be a compounding of those errors.

Luckily the sheer scale of the GPS system comes to our rescue. The satellites are so far out in space that the little distances we travel here on earth are insignificant. So if two receivers are fairly close to each other, say within a few hundred kilometers, the signals that reach both of them will have traveled through virtually the same slice of atmosphere, and so will have virtually the same errors.

Differential GPS can eliminate all errors that are common to both the reference receiver and the roving receiver. These include everything except multipath errors (because they occur right around the receiver such as masts and sails etc) and any receiver errors (because they're unique to the receiver).
That's the idea behind differential GPS: We have one receiver measure the timing errors and then provide correction information to the other receivers that are roving around. That way virtually all errors can be eliminated from the system, even the pesky Selective Availability error that the DoD can put on if they so wish...
Hope that helps...

Yes, that helps me see that you don't really know very much about precise GPS.
I suggest you set up a mock start line and see what happens.
Any time spent on Android apps could be more profitably be spent I think.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 11:27pm
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Originally posted by RTFM

>>To get relative postions with any great accuracy, you have to make sure the receivers are prioritising
>>the same satellites. That is how Differential GPs gets much better accuracy.
Not quite correct. If I may explain...
 
Differential GPS involves the cooperation of two receivers, one that's stationary and another that's roving around making position measurements. The stationary receiver is the key. It ties all the satellite measurements into a solid local reference.
Remember that GPS receivers use timing signals from at least four satellites to establish a position. Each of those timing signals is going to have some error or delay depending on what sort of perils have befallen it on its trip down to us. Since each of the timing signals that go into a position calculation has some error, that calculation is going to be a compounding of those errors.

Luckily the sheer scale of the GPS system comes to our rescue. The satellites are so far out in space that the little distances we travel here on earth are insignificant. So if two receivers are fairly close to each other, say within a few hundred kilometers, the signals that reach both of them will have traveled through virtually the same slice of atmosphere, and so will have virtually the same errors.

Differential GPS can eliminate all errors that are common to both the reference receiver and the roving receiver. These include everything except multipath errors (because they occur right around the receiver such as masts and sails etc) and any receiver errors (because they're unique to the receiver).
That's the idea behind differential GPS: We have one receiver measure the timing errors and then provide correction information to the other receivers that are roving around. That way virtually all errors can be eliminated from the system, even the pesky Selective Availability error that the DoD can put on if they so wish...
Hope that helps...

Yes, that helps me see that you don't really know very much about precise GPS.
I suggest you set up a mock start line and see what happens.
Any time spent on Android apps could be more profitably be spent I think.

Indeed - even differential GPS can involve two moving receivers.
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So what part of my Differential GPS explainiation do not understand? In did not say anthing about  precise GPS - that's RTK which I assume you also no nothing about...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 13 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by RTFM

So what part of my Differential GPS explainiation do not understand? In did not say anthing about  precise GPS - that's RTK which I assume you also no nothing about...

I was using precise GPS in its general sense, not in a proprietary sense.
I wouldn't expect anyone who can't spell 'know' to appreciate the difference though.
However, let's put all that aside, this is not the place for this discussion.
Would you agree that the OP is wasting his time with a simple GPS ap to tell if a dinghy is over the line?
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