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    Posted: 24 Oct 12 at 1:24pm
 It,s a year on now from my last good look at getting a Solo to add to my fleet,  the fleet is still growing from the results on their website , other fleets around the Midlands are having a hard time of it, open meeting turnouts are down over all classes due to the lack of money around.
    I would like to get a new design boat but only the solo has the fleet that will attract me to part with my money. 
      It looks grim for our sport with all the young  on mimimun wages, is it all the 50 to 70 years old that have all the money and can afford to travel? is the solo going to be the main boat in the years ahead, looking at getting a winder or P&B just to join in the fun of lots of numbers at opens, I will always keep my MPS as its great.
 
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Solo is actually a good boat, which is attainable for most people.  The open circuit is frankly fantastic and up there with Laser.  The one issue i have is that numbers dont always bring quality.  There is gulfing difference in boat speed depending on age and hull design.  Also depite getting 25 boats at even a local class open they are not 25 sailors battling it out for 1st place.  So for me its far from perfect.  
I also have an issue with how the class runs its website, there are a number of people which get rather aggressive at newbies who have not joined the association, they refuse to talk about the merits of hull design/sail maker etc.  Also the top end of the national fleet is a who's who of semi pro sailors.  many of which only crack the covers off a borrowed boat for the nationals.

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Well Chris... looks like you and I are literally and figuratively in the same boat.

I only want class racing (the odd really fun handicap event is okay, you know when no one even bothers looking at the results anyway), but it's definitely not what I want from my principal sailing.  I have neither the time, nor the inclination, to hook up and drive god knows how far to get dished a skunking or be blown to toast in a more 'desirable', but narrower wind range boat- so circuit only is out of the question too.

So like you, it seems the Solo is the only real answer- especially in the Midlands.  And the fact that there is diversity in the fleet can only be a good thing- a great race for everyone.  As I will never be in the top tier, I have no concerns about the semi-pro jockeys, in fact, without some good advice from HD Sails, I could probably have made a bit of a mistake on what I'm buying- or certainly paid more than I needed to.  

I've also heard rumours that the Solo website and its forum are a bit erm, anal/antiquated.... but whatever, that's no reason not to buy a boat.  If I wanted a boat for the best run class, best class attitude I've met, a top notch class forum and a social media strategy I'd like to engage with, then it would be the MPS... but sadly there isn't a fleet of them nearby, and to be honest, I've not got the free time to get the most out of one again.

I've just found out my sail number  - 5364 and apparently anything with a 4000+ number would be more than competitive at club level, subject to the usual condition checks.





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I think that your view may be correct but this is always the case at opens, I could turn up to laser opens and forcast the top ten places before hand, the point that works for me is you still have 25 sailors out for a good days racing and having fun, you only need four boats at the same level to have a good race but then you have 10 people not sailing to provide for the 4 boats at an open.
  It is only time before a great chunk of people get to old to sail, will the solo still be king  in a few years time or will we just have handicap racing? 
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Originally posted by Wrighty

  It is only time before a great chunk of people get to old to sail, will the solo still be king  in a few years time or will we just have handicap racing? 

Better the Solo than nothing at all.  If it's handicap racing only, then goodbye from me (and I suspect quite a few others too)  In truth I'm optimistic that the Solo will actually be nicer to sail than I think it will be- under promise, over deliver - besides once you're into the mindset of actually racing, then the boat to some extent becomes less critical.  

I'm looking forward to thinking about the race again, rather than just how to keep a boat upright.  I caught a glimpse in a tussle with the other Finn and an Icon at the Forum Open Meeting, the Icon nudged it as it was simply faster in the final stretch to the finish line, but it was still nice to get that boat-on-boat action back again.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Well Chris... looks like you and I are literally and figuratively in the same boat.

I only want class racing (the odd really fun handicap event is okay, you know when no one even bothers looking at the results anyway), but it's definitely not what I want from my principal sailing.  I have neither the time, nor the inclination, to hook up and drive god knows how far to get dished a skunking or be blown to toast in a more 'desirable', but narrower wind range boat- so circuit only is out of the question too.

So like you, it seems the Solo is the only real answer- especially in the Midlands.  And the fact that there is diversity in the fleet can only be a good thing- a great race for everyone.  As I will never be in the top tier, I have no concerns about the semi-pro jockeys, in fact, without some good advice from HD Sails, I could probably have made a bit of a mistake on what I'm buying- or certainly paid more than I needed to.  

I've also heard rumours that the Solo website and its forum are a bit erm, anal/antiquated.... but whatever, that's no reason not to buy a boat.  If I wanted a boat for the best run class, best class attitude I've met, a top notch class forum and a social media strategy I'd like to engage with, then it would be the MPS... but sadly there isn't a fleet of them nearby, and to be honest, I've not got the free time to get the most out of one again.

I've just found out my sail number  - 5364 and apparently anything with a 4000+ number would be more than competitive at club level, subject to the usual condition checks.




 I am very happy for you with your new boat, its only a few people that know that the person that wins the open is not the person that wins the day, it's the person with the biggest smile on their face that wins the day, I have won an open and not been happy as i know it's only because of missing sailors.
       As regards new boats, I did have a thirty year old enterprise and did ok at opensin in it sailing with the kids, I got a brand new wooden ent with all the bells and things and was so disapointed that it only went at the same speed as my 30 years boat?

   Hope to see you at some opens soon then  Smile


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maybe the odd one or two local one-dayers... and of course there's the nationals next year at HISC, over 120 boats expected.  I'm hoping to do the first weekend... SteveB's taking it over from there on in, so at least the average points should go up, even if the poor boat's helmsman finally looks the right age to sail a Solo.  LOL
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Originally posted by Wrighty

  It is only time before a great chunk of people get to old to sail, will the solo still be king  in a few years time or will we just have handicap racing? 

Better the Solo than nothing at all.  If it's handicap racing only, then goodbye from me (and I suspect quite a few others too)  In truth I'm optimistic that the Solo will actually be nicer to sail than I think it will be- under promise, over deliver - besides once you're into the mindset of actually racing, then the boat to some extent becomes less critical.  

I'm looking forward to thinking about the race again, rather than just how to keep a boat upright.  I caught a glimpse in a tussle with the other Finn and an Icon at the Forum Open Meeting, the Icon nudged it as it was simply faster in the final stretch to the finish line, but it was still nice to get that boat-on-boat action back again.

   I think you are right about that, I did a year at South Sfaffs sailing my bother in laws GP with 20 boats out most sundays, I had a great time and the boat on boat racing was very good for tactics, It was the thing that changed my mindset about boats and how any boat if fun if you have a fleet.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

maybe the odd one or two local one-dayers... and of course there's the nationals next year at HISC, over 120 boats expected.  I'm hoping to do the first weekend... SteveB's taking it over from there on in, so at least the average points should go up, even if the poor boat's helmsman finally looks the right age to sail a Solo.  LOL
 
  I think its ongoing, you are getting one, myself looking at ordering, the numbers keep getting better so more people jump, it is why the solo is taking off, its the only option?
  One good point is about the solo is you can have a nice looking modern sail, I hate the laser 1 sail i have, anyone got any advice on the best looking option.
  sorry to say I am keeping the age range up in the solo, gray hair and that Cry


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Originally posted by wrighty

it is why the solo is taking off, its the only option?

it is for me where I live... just too heavy for the Laser and I'd choose a Solo over one anyway, despite the obvious age demographics at play between the two at my club- it's just a bit more refined and the free choice in spars/sails suits me more than a SMOD.  (and age should be irrelevant for sailing!!!) 

Sail- I'd always recommend going to HD Sails in Birmingham if they're an option- purely because of the local support.  Taxi won the nationals with one of his sails and Jim ain't bad in a Solo either.  I guess they know a thing or two and I doubt my skills will do many new sails justice whatever I were to choose.

But if I were buying secondhand a North Sail wouldn't put me off a boat either.... again considered very good.  

Russ might be able to offer a little more insight, AFAIK it's more important to match the mast to sail rather than just get a 'perfect' sail on the wrong mast... I can only share what I've researched rather than experienced at this stage.  FWIW- I switched my order from a D+ to a Cumulus Selden section as this is stiffer and better suited to big guys inland.  Both fit the standard HD sail but they can cut a rag to the lighterweight C and C-Sleeved sections too if you want one.  






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