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    Posted: 17 Aug 12 at 1:55pm
I don't think that you will ever get better equipement for televising sailing than was at Weymouth. I think it was badly used.
To suddenly cut away from a start at 30 seconds to go in order to interview someones bloody mother on the Nothe was totaly Crass.
There was too much zooming in of individual boats too.
 
Wider shots along start lines and gate roundings, cameras filming across the front of the fleet as it moves upwind.... stuff like that to allow us and the commentators to follow and explain things.
 
When you watch a bike or car race on TV, you have a regular pattern of camera angles as the racers go round the track. This gets you used to the format and thus follow the race. If the director is flashing camera angles around like a bloody pop video - no one can follow it!
 
 
In fact.... get me to direct it!  SARGESAIL can do the commentary. Can any of you lot handle computer graphics and on the water commentary and RIB driving and cameras?


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Apologies if this has already been posted - http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/08/irishman-gives-expert-olympic-sailing-commentary-video
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Originally posted by Rupert

Is there anyone on here who would choose to watch sailing on the telly if they could be out sailing/racing themselves at the same time, even though there might not be quite the same quality of sailor on the water as on the TV?


I went sailing Big smile I would watch programmes about sailing/boating (like many of my generation it was Swallows & Amazons on the telly that go me interested in sailing) but it would have to be things like programmes about Thames Barges and the like to get me watching.
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This is something the Tornado Class have been working on for the past few years.

Some of you may have seen Tornado Speed Sailing, we've had some big sponsors across the World such as Audi and AXA on board.

Close racing, close to the shore, quick turn around races, awesome commentator to explain what's happening. Close to the shore also means big wind shifts which can take the sailors from hero to zero.

Do this and the racing never gets far away, you can see and hear what is happening on the boats. The boats also don't spread out as much. You can run up to 10 races in a 2 hour period.

See the video.



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Originally posted by Rupert

Is there anyone on here who would choose to watch sailing on the telly if they could be out sailing/racing themselves at the same time, even though there might not be quite the same quality of sailor on the water as on the TV?

oh christ no... I only watched it online at work* and when feeding kids in the evening.  If I had 'free time' to go and do some sailing myself during the Olympics, I'd have been down the beach at Hayling or at the local pond.

* even work was more exciting than the 49er coverage
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Originally posted by getafix

but well explained they were none the less enjoyable because I don't really "get" the way the sports work from actually being a participant at some level



I think I enjoyed the sports I didn't understand more than the sailing, as I wasn't getting annoyed about things that were said!

Apart from Waterpolo, which just appeared to be lots of coloured caps throwing a ball around then chasing it.
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+1 a lot depends on the commentator involved, in fact I'd go as far as to say 80% as during the Olympics I found myself watching (and listening while driving) events I have no idea about, like taikwondo, water-polo, 3-day eventing and gymnastics, but well explained they were none the less enjoyable because I don't really "get" the way the sports work from actually being a participant at some level
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I'm with Blueboy - sailing's incomprehensibility is an assumption, not backed up in reality.  And there are two issues which are conflated:

1.  The event scoring system (discards, medal races et al). (At least we no longer have the "Olympic" scoring system (0 for 1st, 3 for 2nd, etc, 5.7 for 3rd, or the old low points with 0.75 - we've come a long way). 
2.  Understanding who is winning on the water.

I'm going to ignore the first for now.  The problem with the second is that you can't take in the full view through a camera and the telephoto lens makes boats seem closer than they are, and at a distant you need elevation to get perspective on boats on opposite tacks, or the same tack with separation.

It was the elevation which made the Nothe such a good place to watch from (in my view there should have been no Medal race in certain directions and below certain windspeeds - hard to have elevation without geographical effect.

The computer graphics help, but they only give a distance to mark, or (on the more sophisticated versions, a time to mark) but that ignores things like which gate mark is closer, and much more improtantly that one boat has a faster angle to sail.  How many times did you watch Ben or Ian and Bart appear to be 10 to 20 meters behind on the system, but further to leeward, only to find that they were level or ahead at teh mark or finish as the downwind and upwind boats converged.

At the Nothe I ran my own commentary for my Dad - halfway through the day he and I realised that it was quiet around us because people were listening to my (marginally less than the commentary team's) b**locks - and a few commented that they had understood much better once i had explained teh angles and the gusts and shifts, all of which were very visible.

So it just takes commentary and perspective/view.  Neither of which are easily delivered, but neitherof which are impossible!
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Is there anyone on here who would choose to watch sailing on the telly if they could be out sailing/racing themselves at the same time, even though there might not be quite the same quality of sailor on the water as on the TV?
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Originally posted by Oatsandbeans

Reading about the olympic coverage on the TV there are many references to viewers getting absorbed and enjoying sports that are completely new to them.

Anyone got any ideas?


ACWS has plenty of ideas and has spent a fortune to make a sailing event TV friendly. Know what? Compared to the Women's Match Racing, it quickly gets tedious to watch. Proper sailing, as we practice it, is actually more entertaining than a made-for-TV imitation of the real thing.
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