New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Gap in the market?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Gap in the market?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
winging it View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 22 Mar 07
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3958
Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Gap in the market?
    Posted: 04 May 12 at 10:10am
Although it seems we have more than enough dinghy classes to meet every need, we're frequently asked on here for a boat that cna be single or double handed, mostly used for cruising and family joy rides.  It needs to be light and it needs to be plastic.

Remember when boats, like the mirror, had two mast positions for such use, and didn't the 420 also have this capacity?  From what I cant tell there isn't such a boat being pushed out at the moment, so should there be,a nd what would the criteria be?

Perhaps:

Moveable mast for single or double handing, jib or no jib
Small and manageable - say no more than 14ft (just over 4m)
Rotomoulded, for pulling up the beach
trolley that comes with a jockey wheel as standard - makes an amazing difference
outbard bracket and rowlocks
Simple dinghy design, ie bermudan rig, minimal fuss
reefable mainsail
room for the hamper
cheap!

Such boats do exist - look at ther ecently reviewed crabber, but not everyone wants that sort of traditional feel/design, they want something that looks like a bog standard family dinghy.

Any thoughts?

the same, but different...

Back to Top
pondmonkey View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 11
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2202
Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 12 at 10:20am
Laser Vago if the 'part time crew' is another adult
RS Feva if the 'part time crew' are kids

- both come with a choice of rigs and some dacron cut downs
- both are inexpensive second hand
- both can be repaired with a blowtorch
Back to Top
patj View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 16 Jul 04
Location: Wiltshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 643
Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 7:12am
There's a Zoom sitting on a combi in our drive which ticks quite a few of those boxes - two mast positions for single handed or doublehanded with trapeze, simple design, grp, haven't measured its length yet but similar to a Laser and definitely cheap. Age unknown (seventies? eighties?) but the two rigs idea has obviously been around for a while. 
Open to offers as we acquired it from a non-sailing friend and will probably e-bay it.


Edited by patj - 08 May 12 at 7:13am
Back to Top
x1testpilot View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 11 Feb 11
Location: Ealing
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 175
Post Options Post Options   Quote x1testpilot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 9:18am
Wanderer? I've never sailed one.
I like to take pictures of sailing, but I'd rather be sailing!
LCSC.org.uk
Xdinghies.com/ X0 & X1
Back to Top
Graham T View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 09 Apr 07
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 123
Post Options Post Options   Quote Graham T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 9:50am
I think Nessa is really asking if there is scope for a new design given the amount of times this sort of boat has been asked for on the forum, rather than what sort of existing boat would suit....
Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang"
Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit"
Miracle 1358 "Thumper"
Back to Top
tickler View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 03 Jun 07
Location: Tunstead Milton
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 895
Post Options Post Options   Quote tickler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 10:18am
Originally posted by patj

There's a Zoom sitting on a combi in our drive which ticks quite a few of those boxes - two mast positions for single handed or doublehanded with trapeze, simple design, grp, haven't measured its length yet but similar to a Laser and definitely cheap. Age unknown (seventies? eighties?) but the two rigs idea has obviously been around for a while. 
Open to offers as we acquired it from a non-sailing friend and will probably e-bay it.


Has your Zoom got a blue stripe on the hull (covering a repair) and a Lightning main? I sold one like that about 8 years ago. We only sailed it once, single handed, and it went OK.
Back to Top
RS400atC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Dec 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3011
Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 10:44am
Light and Rotomoulded don't go together.
Virtually any of the GRP versions of 60's dinghies would meet the needs.
Things like Enterprises can be sailed singlehanded very well, they will also take a small family.
It's not hard to tack a transom sheeted boat with a jib single handed.
That's what some people used to do years ago, teach their kids to sail or sail with the family on Saturdays and a race on Sundays.
I really don't see a gap in the market. For those who must buy new, the Vago seems Ok, there is the Topper Magno range, the Wanderer etc etc, even excluding things like the Ent as being expensive due to being class-race biased.
Back to Top
simonrh View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 10 Jan 10
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 186
Post Options Post Options   Quote simonrh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 1:27pm
It was trying to address the single handed / double handed question that led me to buying a Dart 18. Will actually get to sail it double handed for the first time on saturday after having owned it for well over a year.
Vortex Asymmetric 1064
Dart 18 7118
Smartkat stunt sailor extraordinaire
Back to Top
Owenfackrell View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 19 Jul 10
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 129
Post Options Post Options   Quote Owenfackrell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by simonrh

It was trying to address the single handed / double handed question that led me to buying a Dart 18. Will actually get to sail it double handed for the first time on saturday after having owned it for well over a year.
 
This is one of th ereason i got my Dart and i also have yet to sail her with both sails up.
Back to Top
simonrh View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 10 Jan 10
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 186
Post Options Post Options   Quote simonrh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 12 at 3:13pm
I sail mine on my own with 2 sails if there isn't a huge amount of breeze. Sometimes i even remember to get the halyard hook facing the correct way and I can get it down again!
Vortex Asymmetric 1064
Dart 18 7118
Smartkat stunt sailor extraordinaire
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy