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zailor ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249 |
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This is just something that I have always pondered over and thats the stayed and unstayed masts.
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radixon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407 |
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a stayed mast can be tensioned using the shrouds and the jib
You can set it to crew/helm weight etc An unstayed mast can only be racked on kicker/main sheet |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Stayed rigs give much more control of the mast shape and postion. Unstayed mast are usually so for ease of rigging and simplification of sailing.
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Smight at BBSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129 |
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Although an unstayed mast such as that on a finn surely makes the sailing more difficult? |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Hmm, I thought the only logic for a stayed mast was to attach more than
one sail to it, or to trapeze from. Personally I wouldn't go as far as to say an unstayed mast is any more or less capable of being bent to a required shape, in fact I'd probably go further and say in the post windsurf sail design era, the controls that can be built into luff curve shape can do pretty much anything for any condition. But then what do I know, I've only been around a relatively short time and view things from perhaps a different perspective than most. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Potentially also a reduction of drag, although the beefier mast section required will add more weight compared to the stayed equivalent.
If you really want to stayed masts can be made ridiculously thin (see Star) but the attendant risks in case of rigging failure or oversight are greater. (see errrr.. Star...) |
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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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The vareo has a stayed mast but the shrouds are only there to stop the mast from inverting when the kite is up going down wind.
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tack'ho ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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Bu**er. agreeing with the grumpy one again. The way Una masts are built now'a'days is extremely complex (laser rubbish exempting.. An unstayed mast can only be racked on kicker/main sheet Errr in a word NO. Edited by tack'ho |
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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When you start adding jibs, traps and spinnakers (especially mast head) and bigger mains an unstayed mast just isn't an option. For windsurf sized sails for singlehanders there no doubt that can be made to work well. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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Made to work adequately anyway... folk keep trying them in Moths, but I don't think there's been a competitive unstayed rig since the 1960s - about the time the Europe branched off. Its worth noting that, AIUI, a lot of the complexity and manufacturing difficulty in SRs notorious Europe mast was as a result of the need to get the bend right whilst conforming to the tight class rules on external dimensions. This meant that they couldn't add or subtract layup from the outside of the spar to meet the requirements. Consequently changes had to be made to the inside which is rather trickier to do. Edited by JimC |
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