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    Posted: 17 Apr 06 at 11:09am
Hi,

I'm a dinghy sailor looking at converting over to cats for sailing with my
partner / family. I'm after a cat for lightweights, that you can single hand,
go two up and take out the family = me ( 11 stone, 74kg ) wife ( 8 stone,
52kg ) and 9 year old ( 24kg ).

The obvious choice would be a Dart 15 / Sprint 15. ( but would prefer the
option of a kite )

What about the Hobie Max?

The web information seems a bit pants from Hobie especially on its stuff.
But it would be great to hear about any other options and any
experiences. As well as the sort / style of open meeting sailing you guys
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This question is just such a gift.................

Based on what you've written Jack, the most obvious choice is NOT a Dart/Sprint 15 or a Hobie Max (or even a Dart 16).

No, the MOST obvious choice is a Formula 16! Go to the new temporary website at http://f16.beasts.org for more info.

There are currently a couple of Stealths for sale in the UK - contact John Pierce at www.stealthmarine.co.uk or you could search for a Taipan or similar 16ft cat and bring it up to F16 specs. Boats like the old Condor/Hurricane 4.9, Hydra, Mystere etc would measure but be overweight compared to the new designs.

This is me sailng the Stealth F16 with my youngest (12 yr old) son

and this is with my oldest (19 yr old) son

I also sail with my wife and sail and race solo too:

 

When I was looking for a new cat last year, my priorities were virtually identical to yours. I spent four months researching and thinking and talking to people before finally going for this (very new) class. We held our first nationals in 2005. This years will be at Mumbles on 3rd-5th June. Our first Worlds will be in Singapore next February. The class is growing rapidly with builders in many countries. If I were you I'd seriously put an F16 at the top of my list!

 

 

 

 

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I have to agree......  F16 fits the bill for what you want.

Also have a look at the Spitfire class.  If Spitfires are plentiful in your area, I would recomend getting into this class.  From what I have heard, they are very popular with some rock stars in the class.  Benifit would be a market value with greater longlivity and potential to learn more and quicker.  They are also granfarthered into the F-16 class.

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    I would also agree the F16 suits your needs perfectly.

    as for racing if you are near the north of England or Scotland there is a great travelers circuit called Snecca (Scottish and north of England cat class association.) our first event of this year is at Keilder this weekend all classes of cat welcome we race on the average lap system. Great bunch of people and Scottish hospitality.

 

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Another vote for an F16 from me - fits the bill 100%
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 06 at 6:02pm
You lot seem a lot less class promotion aggressive than dinghy sailors, by
now i would have had about 20 different options! Probably mostly from
Cherub sailors!!!!

But thanks for the direction.

As the F16 concept is new, how is it going down and what's the circuit
like? And would a half decent dinghy helm be able to move across to,
what looks like quite a handful of a cat easily? ( the wife gets scared easily
:-)!). Are there any special techniques?

by the way what is wrong with the sprint 15 then?

It seems to have one advantage in that you can split the mast for car
topping, I imagine that a performance F16 will be carbon and therefore it
won't break down.
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The F16 looks a cracking boat but reckon the Spitfire is probably easier to sail. Both excelent boats though.
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AHHH nice pics.....SUNNY LEIGH ON SEA!!!!
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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

The F16 looks a cracking boat but reckon the Spitfire is probably easier to sail. Both excelent boats though.

The Spitfire rates as an F16 !!!!!

I would thing the opposite as far as sailability goes.

Spitfire is heavier, but has larger sails to compensate!

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The ONLY problem with the Spitfire is singlehanding. It is not particularly happy sailing under main only, and the jib is not self tacking. Therefore to be F16 compliant it can only really be sailed in two-up format. If you're racing other Spitfires then it's two-up anyway.

To address the original priority of lightweight family sailing AND singlehanding then it is really only F16 that hits the mark (as I found out).

F16s ARE NOT DIFFICULT TO SAIL!!!  Racing competitively is a different matter though as they respond very well to the slightest adjustment on downhaul/outhaul etc. (So it's actually very easy to be sailing slowly fast!!) - or should that be sailing fast slowly??? 

 



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