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charlie1019 
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Joined: 28 Nov 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 173 |
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 Topic: pumpingPosted: 21 Feb 06 at 4:17pm |
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i know that the fin has funny rules about being allowed to pump, but what are they allowed to do pumping wise in a general handicap fleet (inland on flat water) in about f2-3??? the one out on sunday just seemed to repeatedly pump his way down to the leward mark; didn't really look much like sailing to me, maybe he should just buy a rowing boat? |
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tack'ho
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Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 4:41pm |
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leave it folks
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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JimC
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 4:57pm |
I don't believe class rules apply in a handicap race. Straight ISAF rules unless the SIs say something different. In any case the class rules normally require a flag before the rules change. |
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ColH
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Joined: 11 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 242 |
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:08pm |
I've also had the pleasure of following a pumping finn round the course. Obviously its habit, and they're used to it in a class fleet, but I also wondered how legal it was in a handicap fleet. Obviously I didn't complain at the time - big fellas those finn sailors!
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Olly4088
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:20pm |
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I dont see how you can say leave it, it is a problem that needs addressing.
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Black no sugar
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:21pm |
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Very wise, tack'ho. Let's follow his advice before the Finn sailors' wrath descends upon us.
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Olly4088
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:26pm |
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Why? I thought we were all sailing to the same rules?
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gordon
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:35pm |
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Finn was (almost certainly) infringing rule 42. Read the rule and the ISAF interpretations, next time get 2 reliable witnesses and protest. Not protesting in these cases does a lot of harm to the sport, by giving the impression that the cheats rule The Finn guy will get over it Gordon |
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Blaze-720
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Joined: 21 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 5:55pm |
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Surely its no different to the situation with RS classes which I'm told can hit marks at their own meetings (is this right ?) but can hardly expect to be permitted the same at 'other' times. Pumping is bound to be emotive - some think if you cannot get people to protest then effectively you should allow it. This happened years ago with many board classes which moved the balance firmly towards the 'brawn' rather than 'tactical' oriented boarders ....... and look what happened to the overall numbers competing. Thin end of the wedge stuff - next as with the boards you start tweaking sails to be most effective when pumping etc etc and eventually it turns into 'air rowing' - nothing wrong with rowing of course if that's what you want but its much more satisfying with real oars - for all involved. Blaze '720'
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 6:03pm |
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We currently allow pumping (over a certain windspeed) in our class rules when a flag is flying and I've always wondered if it meant in handicap racing as well. We also have a vote coming up on the subject. From the 2005 AGM... 8a: Chairman Søren Andreasen proposed that we change the class rules to permit pumping (actually suspension of rule 42 Propulsion) within our class rules. He pointed out that a number of classes have modified their class rules to permit pumping and that ISAF rule making has changed in such a way that it is now necessary to modify the class rules in order that rule 42 be suspended. 37 were in favour, 8 opposed 45 total. 82% in favour. This change must be subjected to worldwide postal ballot and approval by the ISAF. ...not really any the wiser. |
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