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    Posted: 20 Aug 22 at 6:50pm
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All I will say on the matter is 20 years ago I owned a Laser radial and it was impossible for a club sailor to sail anywhere near its then py against other similar sized boats.
In my view it’s current py is a fair  representation of its speed against other boats you would find at a average club .  Smile
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Apart from the odd anomalous race I think the current numbers on an average piece of water in most conditions and given a decent course work well. I don't really know what more you can ask for.

Looking back I do remember that the system seemed to favour faster boats at most venues. This might have been due to the number of returns made and by what clubs. Extra laps also often give an advantage to faster boats in an average lap race (We can all remember the races where the wind died and we got stranded but the normal ones far outnumber these!).

The current system I think seems pretty good, but some clubs might need to be more prepared to apply tweaks to certain types of boat to fair things up, namely faster three sail boats on smaller waters.
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Have the "fast" boats changed class rules more than the "slow" ones?  In the classes I own, the fast ones (which are not well represented in PY) have developed to be significantly faster, whereas the slow ones generally have not.
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The other variable is how well the boats are sailed at the clubs that make returns. 
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Originally posted by Paramedic

The other variable is how well the boats are sailed at the clubs that make returns. 

If the sample size was big enough that would average out but most classes only return a few hundred races in a year, only 8 of 67 classes with a full PN returned more than 3000 races and only 2 (Solo and Laser 1) achieved 5 figure stats. With numbers in the low hundreds a single enthusiastic crew sailing most weekends will have a significant impact on the returns.
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My father who used to be a racing officer at our club reckon that in most of the classes i sailed in rs 300,rs vareo that i could be anything up to 50 points below what the actual handicap was which is quite bemusing as for the rs vareo handicap when i was sailing it was 1035 nowdays its 1090 i think not that i looked anymore .But i think alot has to do with which group of sailors are sailing those boats which are below the handicap hence some dropping of some raising of others .Our club at the time always sent in returns at the end of year.
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>>> slow boats have seen their PY rise whilst fast boats have seen theirs drop<<<

If (big if) more coastal clubs are now sending in returns then this is exactly what will happen.

Sailing in any tide penalises boats proportionate to their speed. Done the maths, compared tidal v's non tidal results years ago. The difference it makes is quite drastic. It's the elephant in the room for coastal clubs...........sssshhh, don't talk about it out loud.
 
Possible exceptions being estuary/river clubs that may sail on a specific state of tide.




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