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    Posted: 08 Nov 21 at 10:26am
Having revisited my jolly old Solution and recapturing the joy of an easy boat to use and race yesterday I thought I'd have a google about see what's going on, seems they've been having a shift around with builders and it now has the distinct impression of musical chairs, seems they haven't been long with the new one and are on the move again, no idea to whom or where or even why.

I did try and get them to adopt a sail from a builder local to my area in preference to the Hyde offering that Ovington make your eyes water with, but they appear to be reverting to one closer to home can't remember the name as I type this, but I still think it's a mistake monopolising your sail supplier, better to have opened the class to local builders based on measurement.

In fact if it were me, I'd open the entire rig so we could maybe see a carbon set up. Imagine the Solution with a D0 rig what a nice boat that would be.

Anyway all academic I think my classassociation membership has probably lapsed as I usually renew it each year at the dinghy show and we haven't had one of those in a while have we?

But we should keep an eye on whats going on, if they do come up trumps with a half decent builder and we see a resurgence, it's a great little boat very under rated, imagine if Hartleys got their hands on it, carbonised and supersofa'd it, wouldn't that be cool?


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It just Ovingtons didn’t sell enough to make if worth while keeping the moulds in the factory . One new boat in the last couple of years is just not worth the effort.. No idea why the marriage of Kevin and Peak dinghys has failed almost before it’s started but I am sure Kevin will find a builder, it’s his baby after all.
I know grf and others love the solution ( and i am not one to criticise anyone’s  choice of boat , hell I sailed a  British moth for a while Smile) . But I test sailed it and it’s not for me. For me the problem is not the rig ,it’s the hull . It’s a lot shorter than a phantom and a little wider and I don’t think it quite works as it should, as it makes it  a very on and off sailing experience.
We had two come into my club 18 months ago , both bought by good sailors who won loads of races in their previous boats ( a Supernova and a British moth ) . Both of them just didn’t do as well as they had before and both solutions have been sold in the last couple of months.
One guy has gone back to the Supernova and the other guy is going to sail a club laser while he draws up a list boats to choose from. Tbh its quite a long diverse  list ( Supernova, Solo, Dzero or K1 ) so I think he might be sailing the laser for a while  LOL


I really hope the Solution can solve its builder and sail problems as the variety of different boats for people to choose from is one of sailing strengths..



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I can understand folk not doing as well in the Solution, it's quite quirky and tbh the only reason it really works for me is against Lasers (and for a while four other Solutions). It's strengths are the centreboard, righting moment for a short ass lightweight, the option of raking the rig on the fly, which a) depowers it and b) almost affords sailing by the Lee thanks to slack shrouds, it tacks on a dime and comes out of the tack really quickly so it's a windshift followers dream which works on confined puddles like our lake. Completely dfifferent ball game on the sea, try as you may, pump, rock and ooch your balls off it won't live with Lasers offwind and the centreboard case tolerances are so tight even the smallest gravel shingle will jam that centreboard forever, well at least long enough so you miss the start. It's another example of too short, another 20 cm hull length and what a different story it would be.
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Going to be a difficult one for the Solution Class. I am sure Kevin is trying to hold on to the one-design concept. Peak Dinghy wanted to get sails via North but the panel layout was not the same! Peak Dinghy were going to get hulls made by Woodwind, who are like most builders extremely busy. Ovington's dropped the Solution really to allow for the 60 plus OK dinghies they are building per year along with a shed load of ILCA. They did not just drop the Solution but also got shut of the Ovington Solo that Rooster picked up. Following the pandemic though a number of builders have stopped trading (BY at Beer, SP Boats). This has meant that a whole load of classes are looking for builders (RS 200, 300, etc) Streaker, Graduate, Scorpion and GP14. Ginger Boats took some on. But not all have found builders as yet. BY at Beer Streaker Moulds have been bought by Hartley Boats. There are also quite number of FRP builders who don't really build the boats they sell. Car Composite and Bathroom suit manufacturers come to mind. 
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Cheers Hagar . Lots of interesting info in you post. That’s answered a lot of questions but thrown up others.
1) So we know where the BY at beer streaker moulds went . What has happened to the others. Ie solo, graduate etc ?
2) The Streaker moulds going to Hartleys seems an odd match . With most of the boats  that they build, they own the design rights( supernova ,blaze , gull wanderer etc) . But with Streakers the class owns the design rights , does anyone know what their view of Hartleys is ? 
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Thanks Hagar, interesting, but 60 plus OK dinghies? Really? I mean I'm sure in its day etc etc, but the OK, am I missing something, are the lipstick versions bandits? Are they going over seas? Can't all be for #elephantdinghygraveyardghostriders.com.


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Originally posted by iGRF

Thanks Hagar, interesting, but 60 plus OK dinghies? Really? I mean I'm sure in its day etc etc, but the OK, am I missing something, are the lipstick versions bandits? Are they going over seas? Can't all be for #elephantdinghygraveyardghostriders.com.

I just bought a used OK this past weekend. Using my "if iGRF hates them then they will be a cracking boat" measure I should probably end up falling in love with it! My reason to buy was that I was interested to sail in the 2023 Worlds which is in the UK and yes it has a decent domestic, European and Global following.
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iGRF Some boats never die because they just have classic strength of design. Things like OKs, Solos,Finns and even Lasers( wash my mouth out with soap ) Will still be sailing long after we have stopped disagreeing over the strengths and weaknesses of Solutions, Aeros and Dzeros etc . 
Hell they probably will be sailing after we are both long dead. Lol. 
I cannot say I totally understand it, but it’s the way of the sailing world .

The only modern boat that has a chance of joining this group is possibly the Aero . But if I had to lay money on it I think in 30 years you will find them , unloved in the back corner of sailing clubs dinghy parks, like 21st century versions of minisails or laser 2s LOL

And the Solo/OKand Finn classes will still be going strong  Smile B@@tards  LOL




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Originally posted by iGRF

Thanks Hagar, interesting, but 60 plus OK dinghies? Really? I mean I'm sure in its day etc etc, but the OK, am I missing something, are the lipstick versions bandits? Are they going over seas? Can't all be for #elephantdinghygraveyardghostriders.com.

I just bought a used OK this past weekend. Using my "if iGRF hates them then they will be a cracking boat" measure I should probably end up falling in love with it!


SNAP That’s why I bought a D-zero  Wink
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Hate? Such a terminal description. I even bought a Solo once, sold it because I don't like spiders I seem to recall. So far the Solution has only delivered a below deck Otter or Mink which doesn't seem to have slowed it down.



As to the OK I don't recall ever even seeing one up close and personal, although the dinghy equivalent of those bumper cars or was it bumper boats, you used to get at the seaside amusements, springs to mind.
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