Rounding a windward Mark to Starboard

Mate, have you opened your rulebook yet?

Take a look at rule 18.1

Does rule 18 apply in the situation you describe?

Search for 'proper course'

Do any of the rules that contain the phrase 'proper course' place an obligation on a boat on a beat to windward about to round a mark?

Originally posted by Nacnud_smada These are all things that have happened and casued great debate and arguments which I'm trying to get a better knowledge of so we can help educate the club

Originally posted by Nacnud_smada Lol thanks for that.

OK, I'm not trying to make a dick of myself. I'm trying to help you get on top of the relevant rules and develop some methods for tackling rules problems.

If you are going to discuss the rules, do it with the rules book open in front of you. Don't rely on what somebody thinks the rules say, or worse still what somebody thinks the rules mean: look at the words in the rules.

Originally posted by Nacnud_smada I dknt think rules 18 applies.. 18.1a

Good start. Actually it's rule 18.1(b), because P, above the layline is not on a beat to windward, but S needs to tack.

People remember this as "On opposite tacks at a windward mark: take the mark away."

Originally posted by Nacnud_smada Yer for me.. Boat B is not sailing her proper course... But in this situation I've been told "well my proper course is to sail past x to get into that gust.. Proper Course A course a boat would sail to finish as soon as possible in the absence of the other boats referred to in the rule using the term. A boat has no proper course before her starting signal.

OK, you have found the definition of 'proper course'

And you you have now found one rule that uses the phrase 'proper course' rule 18.1(b) which doesn't impose any obligations about proper course.

Using the search function find and list the other rules that use the phrase 'proper course'.

Look, and tell us if any of those rules apply to a boat sailing close hauled to a windward mark?

Originally posted by Nacnud_smada Thank you. I appreciate your hell thanks will give it a look. And report back 👍👍

OK Duncan, four little rules still to find.

Yer, yer

OK.

So rules
17..ON THE SAME TACK; PROPER COURSE
18.1b.
between boats on opposite tacks when the proper course at the
mark for one but not both of them is to tack,

18.2c (2) if she becomes overlapped inside the boat entitled to
mark-room, she shall also give that boat room to sail her
proper course while they remain overlapped.

18.4 Gybing
When an inside overlapped right-of-way boat must gybe at a mark to
sail her proper course, until she gybes she shall sail no farther from
the mark than needed to sail that course. Rule 18.4 does not apply at
a gate mark.

24.2
If reasonably possible, a boat shall not interfere with a boat that is

taking a penalty, sailing on another leg or subject to rule 22.1.
However, after the starting signal this rule does not apply when the
boat is sailing her proper course.


Think that's them??