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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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Recent, but not specific, topics and other influences have had me thinking how dinghy racing can be accessible for older people. This topic ran and ran on the wooden boat forum but was aimed at self builders casual sailing. There is clearly a very wide spread of fitness as we age so rather than get all hung up on a particular age it is easier to refer to ‘healthspan’ (the part of a person’s life during which they are generally in good health). I don’t believe that a person who has reached 80% of their healthspan has many dinghy sailing options. Speaking very generally the retirees are willing to splash the cash (lump sum from pension etc) but shy away from going out when the wind becomes moderately interesting. I don’t believe this is about ability but that capsize recovery is such an ordeal. The options I believe are:
What I think is required is:
I am sure there are people who believe that they sail the ideal class for an 80% sailor and though some classes have some good attributes nothing I know of is ideal. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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If close, tactical racing is required, and the ego is willing to give up on speed, then Solent Scows, the Foxer, Hansa 303 plus others are out there. A little faster, the Mirror, and faster again, the Firefly and Solo are also popular amongst older helms. In the Firefly's case, often they are a life long sail. Agree that weather will play a huge part in when people are happy sailing. I also have friends who have decided to grow old disgracefully in such boats as Ospreys and 14s, having a great time.
But, what can do the speed of an osprey but the stability of a Scow? I suspect the Weta will get a mention early! |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Like many clubs we have an ageing demographic and our Solo fleet is pretty well in the 60 - 70 age range. I would agree that capsizing for some is probably the greatest challenge, partly due to a reduction in mobility and balance and also resolving the situations that you can get into when you have capsized.
The key is probably to maintain fitness and agility for as long as is possible. Some of our sailors have shorter leeched sails, righting lines and fit crotch straps to their buoyancy aids, all of which help. I suspect that when I am no longer able to sail a Solo, I will need to sail with someone else, probably at the front end of a two hander since I will no doubt be a liability to other harbour users on my own!
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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I'm 66 and sailing the Blaze and Spice, I may well buy a Solo when I find my current boats too much. Also on the short list would be the H2 and OK (which I sailed in my youth) budget permitting. The H2 was, I believe, designed with the 80%ers in mind and is probably the nearest thing to the ideal old guys boat. It has a deep cockpit and floats with the centreboard at water level when capsized, on paper at least all it lacks is a reduced rig.
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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It’s an interesting question, I sail at same club as you Tink, and I’m not sure the solo is the answer, too often when they capsize some of the less mobile amongst us really appear to struggle to get back in, I suspect the Ok isn’t much easier, but it guess it’s the risk : stability if you are stable enough you don’t capsize, but when you do it’s a struggle.
Oddly, my 300 is a doddle to get back in after a capsize, but you need to be more reactive to make sure it doesn’t in the first place.
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GarethT ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 714 |
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My dad is loving his supernova in his 70s.
He and his partner have just swapped their RS200 for a 2000 to be a bit more manageable. |
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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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Part of the catalyst was a recent safety duty where I assisted a couple of Solos, an OK and a Streaker all of who had righted successfully but simply could not get back onboard their boats. The easiest boat I have righted were my ICs, and they are sailed by mature people but sadly not suitable for where we sail.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Maybe an IC with outriggers?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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I restarted serious cycling 20 years ago so I think that I am fitter now at 65 than 45, but of course it's the joints that get us.
Now I have accepted righting lines on my Solo, it's still a pull in using the coffee table but ok. My Osprey is fine, sailing in all weathers we average one swim a year and I have an ex nat champ at the front to pull her up. Perfect! Edited by ian.r.mcdonald - 21 Dec 19 at 2:45pm |
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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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There is an AYRS boat with a sliding seat with an outrigger at the end of each seat when the seat is fully extended the leeward outrigger tucks into the hull. The ICs only issue is how uncomfortable it is in light wind. I suppose with development IC you could prioritise light wind comfort.
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